Timeline for Canadian citizen, on US no-fly list. What can I do in order to be allowed on flights which go through US airspace?
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| May 12, 2022 at 3:43 | comment | added | Loren Pechtel | @DavidRicherby I have yet to be on an eastbound transoceanic flight that did anything like the great circle route--they always go way south because of the wind situation. | |
| Nov 29, 2020 at 2:47 | comment | added | ZeroTheHero | @Harper-ReinstateMonica Originating in Halifax will not help as getting there from Toronto or Montreal will take you over northern Maine, i.e. over US territory. Best option is via Montreal where (in summer at least) almost all TATl flights never go over the US unless they go to southern Europe. Alternative is to use Calgary as a gateway, where there is 0 risk of going over US. | |
| Feb 11, 2020 at 14:28 | comment | added | lOST | I have the same situation for years and no one helped out. After years of living here and work hard establishing our lives, we are in a big prison named Canada. This is the reality my friend! | |
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| Mar 6, 2019 at 17:48 | comment | added | Aras Celik | @MichaelSeifert Thats actually what i did and they have been swift and helpful until now. thanks for suggestion | |
| Mar 6, 2019 at 17:46 | comment | added | Aras Celik | @Harper +ChrisW Gander might be a temp solution that i really haven't considered thanks . | |
| Mar 6, 2019 at 4:16 | answer | added | AnthonyWC | timeline score: 0 | |
| Mar 5, 2019 at 15:53 | comment | added | ChrisW | @Harper Even if you take the bus to Halifax I suspect they might still use the US no-fly list on international flights terminating at Halifax. | |
| Mar 5, 2019 at 15:51 | comment | added | Harper - Reinstate Monica | @ChrisW Yeah, I suggested Halifax and St Johns only as alternatives, but it turns out, if you book a domestic flight from Gander to Toronto or Montreal, they make you change at Halifax or St Johns. It's true internationally too, flights from LHR or CDG-Gander make you change in Halifax or St Johns. Although FWIW, Gander is a "hidden city"; extending the trip to Gander lowers the price. | |
| Mar 5, 2019 at 15:41 | comment | added | Harper - Reinstate Monica | I asked this related question to ask if you'd be able to continue your air journey after you make it to Gander, St. Johns or Halifax. | |
| Mar 5, 2019 at 15:20 | comment | added | ChrisW | I'd like to suggest flying via Halifax but (though you might want to double-check) I suspect that it too is affected by the US no-fly list even though it's miles from the US border. | |
| Mar 5, 2019 at 15:16 | comment | added | Harper - Reinstate Monica | @ikegami Or Halifax (YHZ) or St. John's (YYT). | |
| Mar 5, 2019 at 13:03 | comment | added | David Richerby | @Richard At the time I wrote my comment, there were two flights from Detroit to Europe (one to Munich; I think the other was to Amsterdam). Both had passed within a couple of kilometres of YYZ and then gone on to fly over Maine -- the great circle routes from Detroit to Munich and Amsterdam are both north of the YYZ-IST great circle until one is over the far east of Canada. I'm not sure what you're describing as excessive. | |
| Mar 5, 2019 at 12:33 | comment | added | Richard | @DavidRicherby I looked over the flight data for TK17 from the last 2 weeks and the closest it came to the US other than on descent into YYZ was approx Saguenay QC, ~175km from the border. And that was on a very deviated (to the south) routing compared to the GC distance. It crossed the Atlantic from the bay of Biscay. Most flights come in over northern Labrador. This seems excessive. | |
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| Mar 4, 2019 at 13:36 | comment | added | Michael Seifert | Try contacting your MP's office. They might be able to help out one of their constituents. | |
| Mar 3, 2019 at 22:39 | comment | added | David Richerby | @Sean Flights don't necessarily follow the great circle. Particularly over the Atlantic, they often dip quite a bit farther south, depending on wind conditions: if you can reduce the headwind by 50km/h (which you very often can) then covering an extra 200km over the ground on a six-hour flight still saves you the equivalent of 100km of flying. The great circle from IST to YYZ doesn't miss Maine by a whole lot, Toronto is very close to the border and planes may well end up approaching from the south-east or south-west, depending on the weather. | |
| Mar 3, 2019 at 19:22 | comment | added | ikegami | Possible option: Fly via Gander International Airport (YQX) | |
| Mar 3, 2019 at 8:15 | comment | added | vsz | Would it be possible to land in Canada just a little bit further to the North, thus avoiding flying through the US? And it would probably be shorter and less expensive than hopping around several Northern European countries. | |
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| Mar 3, 2019 at 5:50 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border. | |
| Mar 3, 2019 at 5:20 | comment | added | phoog | @Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace. | |
| Mar 3, 2019 at 4:17 | comment | added | Vikki | How did a nonstop from Istanbul to Toronto pass over U.S. airspace? Wouldn't the great-circle route involved stay well to the north of the States? | |
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