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Wikipedia says

... consider the map $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ which takes each distribution on model parameter $\theta$ to its induced distribution on statistic $𝑇$. The statistic $T$ is said to be complete when $f$ is surjective, and sufficient when $f$ is injective.

(emphasis mine)

Is this claim true? ie does $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ being injective imply statistic $T$ is sufficient?

My research so far:

I think wikipedia is incorrect, as I can prove by counterexample. ie I can provide an example where $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective but $T$ is not a sufficient statistic.

Consider this conditional probability distribution of samples $X$ given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{X\,\mid \,\theta}$:

(table 1)

$\theta_1$ $\theta_2 $
$x_1$ $0.1 $ $0.2 $
$x_2$ $ 0.2$ $0.2 $
$x_3$ $0.$3$0.3$ $0.3 $
$x_4$ $ 0.4 $ $0.3 $

and here is the map of samples $ X$ to statistic $T$, meaning that statistic $T$ calculated for sample $x_i$ (column 1) has value equal to $t_j$ (column 2) ie $T(x_i)=t_j$:

(table 2)

sample statistic
$x_1$ $t_1$
$x_2$ $t_1$
$x_3$ $t_2$
$x_4$ $t_2$

which leads to the following conditional probability distribution of statistic $T$, given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{T\,\mid\,\theta}$:

(table 3)

$\theta_1$ $\theta_2$
$t_1$ $0.3$ $0.4$
$t_2$ $0.7$ $0.6 $

In this case $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective (can be deduced from table 3), but the statistic $ T$ is not sufficient, as for a given $T $ the conditional probability of $X $ is a function of $\theta$ (can be deduced form table 1 and table 2).

Wikipedia says

... consider the map $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ which takes each distribution on model parameter $\theta$ to its induced distribution on statistic $𝑇$. The statistic $T$ is said to be complete when $f$ is surjective, and sufficient when $f$ is injective.

(emphasis mine)

Is this claim true? ie does $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ being injective imply statistic $T$ is sufficient?

My research so far:

I think wikipedia is incorrect, as I can prove by counterexample. ie I can provide an example where $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective but $T$ is not a sufficient statistic.

Consider this conditional probability distribution of samples $X$ given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{X\,\mid \,\theta}$:

(table 1)

$\theta_1$ $\theta_2 $
$x_1$ $0.1 $ $0.2 $
$x_2$ $ 0.2$ $0.2 $
$x_3$ $0.$3 $0.3 $
$x_4$ $ 0.4 $ $0.3 $

and here is the map of samples $ X$ to statistic $T$, meaning that statistic $T$ calculated for sample $x_i$ (column 1) has value equal to $t_j$ (column 2) ie $T(x_i)=t_j$:

(table 2)

sample statistic
$x_1$ $t_1$
$x_2$ $t_1$
$x_3$ $t_2$
$x_4$ $t_2$

which leads to the following conditional probability distribution of statistic $T$, given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{T\,\mid\,\theta}$:

(table 3)

$\theta_1$ $\theta_2$
$t_1$ $0.3$ $0.4$
$t_2$ $0.7$ $0.6 $

In this case $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective (can be deduced from table 3), but the statistic $ T$ is not sufficient, as for a given $T $ the conditional probability of $X $ is a function of $\theta$ (can be deduced form table 1 and table 2).

Wikipedia says

... consider the map $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ which takes each distribution on model parameter $\theta$ to its induced distribution on statistic $𝑇$. The statistic $T$ is said to be complete when $f$ is surjective, and sufficient when $f$ is injective.

(emphasis mine)

Is this claim true? ie does $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ being injective imply statistic $T$ is sufficient?

My research so far:

I think wikipedia is incorrect, as I can prove by counterexample. ie I can provide an example where $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective but $T$ is not a sufficient statistic.

Consider this conditional probability distribution of samples $X$ given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{X\,\mid \,\theta}$:

(table 1)

$\theta_1$ $\theta_2 $
$x_1$ $0.1 $ $0.2 $
$x_2$ $ 0.2$ $0.2 $
$x_3$ $0.3$ $0.3 $
$x_4$ $ 0.4 $ $0.3 $

and here is the map of samples $ X$ to statistic $T$, meaning that statistic $T$ calculated for sample $x_i$ (column 1) has value equal to $t_j$ (column 2) ie $T(x_i)=t_j$:

(table 2)

sample statistic
$x_1$ $t_1$
$x_2$ $t_1$
$x_3$ $t_2$
$x_4$ $t_2$

which leads to the following conditional probability distribution of statistic $T$, given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{T\,\mid\,\theta}$:

(table 3)

$\theta_1$ $\theta_2$
$t_1$ $0.3$ $0.4$
$t_2$ $0.7$ $0.6 $

In this case $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective (can be deduced from table 3), but the statistic $ T$ is not sufficient, as for a given $T $ the conditional probability of $X $ is a function of $\theta$ (can be deduced form table 1 and table 2).

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Wikipedia says

... consider the map $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ which takes each distribution on model parameter $\theta$ to its induced distribution on statistic $𝑇$. The statistic $T$ is said to be complete when $f$ is surjective, and sufficient when $f$ is injective.

(emphasis mine)

Is this claim true? ie does $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ being injective imply statistic $T$ is sufficient?

My research so far:

I think wikipedia is incorrect, as I can prove by counterexample. ie I can provide an example where $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective but $T$ is not a sufficient statistic.

Consider this conditional probability distribution of samples $X$ given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{X\,\mid \,\theta}$:

(table 1)

$\theta_1$ $\theta_2 $
$x_1$ $0.1 $ $0.2 $
$x_2$ $ 0.2$ $0.2 $
$x_3$ $0.$3 $0.3 $
$x_4$ $ 0.4 $ $0.3 $

and here is the map of samples $ X$ to statistic $T$, meaning that statistic $T$ calculated for sample $x_i$ (column 1) has value equal to $t_j$ (column 2) ie $T(x_i)=t_j$:

(table 2)

sample statistic
x1$x_1$ t1$t_1$
x2$x_2$ t1$t_1$
x3$x_3$ t2$t_2$
x4$x_4$ t2$t_2$

which leads to the following conditional probability distribution of statistic $T$, given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{T\,\mid\,\theta}$:

(table 3)

$\theta$1$\theta_1$ $\theta$2$\theta_2$
t1$t_1$ 0.3$0.3$ 0.4$0.4$
t2$t_2$ 0.7$0.7$ 0.6$0.6 $

In this case $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective (can be deduced from table 3), but the statistic $ T$ is not sufficient, as for a given $T $ the conditional probability of $X $ is a function of $\theta$ (can be deduced form table 1 and table 2).

Wikipedia says

... consider the map $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ which takes each distribution on model parameter $\theta$ to its induced distribution on statistic $𝑇$. The statistic $T$ is said to be complete when $f$ is surjective, and sufficient when $f$ is injective.

(emphasis mine)

Is this claim true? ie does $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ being injective imply statistic $T$ is sufficient?

My research so far:

I think wikipedia is incorrect, as I can prove by counterexample. ie I can provide an example where $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective but $T$ is not a sufficient statistic.

Consider this conditional probability distribution of samples $X$ given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{X\,\mid \,\theta}$:

(table 1)

$\theta_1$ $\theta_2 $
$x_1$ $0.1 $ $0.2 $
$x_2$ $ 0.2$ $0.2 $
$x_3$ $0.$3 $0.3 $
$x_4$ $ 0.4 $ $0.3 $

and here is the map of samples $ X$ to statistic $T$, meaning that statistic $T$ calculated for sample $x_i$ (column 1) has value equal to $t_j$ (column 2) ie $T(x_i)=t_j$:

(table 2)

sample statistic
x1 t1
x2 t1
x3 t2
x4 t2

which leads to the following conditional probability distribution of statistic $T$, given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{T\,\mid\,\theta}$:

(table 3)

$\theta$1 $\theta$2
t1 0.3 0.4
t2 0.7 0.6

In this case $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective (can be deduced from table 3), but the statistic $ T$ is not sufficient, as for a given $T $ the conditional probability of $X $ is a function of $\theta$ (can be deduced form table 1 and table 2).

Wikipedia says

... consider the map $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ which takes each distribution on model parameter $\theta$ to its induced distribution on statistic $𝑇$. The statistic $T$ is said to be complete when $f$ is surjective, and sufficient when $f$ is injective.

(emphasis mine)

Is this claim true? ie does $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ being injective imply statistic $T$ is sufficient?

My research so far:

I think wikipedia is incorrect, as I can prove by counterexample. ie I can provide an example where $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective but $T$ is not a sufficient statistic.

Consider this conditional probability distribution of samples $X$ given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{X\,\mid \,\theta}$:

(table 1)

$\theta_1$ $\theta_2 $
$x_1$ $0.1 $ $0.2 $
$x_2$ $ 0.2$ $0.2 $
$x_3$ $0.$3 $0.3 $
$x_4$ $ 0.4 $ $0.3 $

and here is the map of samples $ X$ to statistic $T$, meaning that statistic $T$ calculated for sample $x_i$ (column 1) has value equal to $t_j$ (column 2) ie $T(x_i)=t_j$:

(table 2)

sample statistic
$x_1$ $t_1$
$x_2$ $t_1$
$x_3$ $t_2$
$x_4$ $t_2$

which leads to the following conditional probability distribution of statistic $T$, given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{T\,\mid\,\theta}$:

(table 3)

$\theta_1$ $\theta_2$
$t_1$ $0.3$ $0.4$
$t_2$ $0.7$ $0.6 $

In this case $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective (can be deduced from table 3), but the statistic $ T$ is not sufficient, as for a given $T $ the conditional probability of $X $ is a function of $\theta$ (can be deduced form table 1 and table 2).

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Wikipedia says

... consider the map $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ which takes each distribution on model parameter $\theta$ to its induced distribution on statistic $𝑇$. The statistic $T$ is said to be complete when $f$ is surjective, and sufficient when $f$ is injective.

(emphasis mine)

Is this claim true? ie does $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ being injective imply statistic $T$ is sufficient?

My research so far:

I think wikipedia is incorrect, as I can prove by counterexample. ie I can provide an example where $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective but $T$ is not a sufficient statistic.

Consider this conditional probability distribution of samples X$X$ given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{X\,\mid \,\theta}$:

(table 1)

$\theta$1$\theta_1$ $\theta$2$\theta_2 $
x1$x_1$ 0.1$0.1 $ 0.2$0.2 $
x2$x_2$ 0.2$ 0.2$ 0.2$0.2 $
x3$x_3$ 0.$0.$3 0.3$0.3 $
x4$x_4$ 0.4$ 0.4 $ 0.3$0.3 $

and here is the map of samples X$ X$ to statistic $T$, meaning that statistic $T$ calculated for sample $x_i$ (column 1) has value equal to $t_j$ (column 2) ie $T(x_i)=t_j$:

(table 2)

sample statistic
x1 t1
x2 t1
x3 t2
x4 t2

which leads to the following conditional probability distribution of statistic $T$, given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{T\,\mid\,\theta}$:

(table 3)

$\theta$1 $\theta$2
t1 0.3 0.4
t2 0.7 0.6

In this case $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective (can be deduced from table 3), but the statistic $ T$ is not sufficient, as for a given $T $ the conditional probability of $X $ is a function of $\theta$ (can be deduced form table 1 and table 2).

Wikipedia says

... consider the map $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ which takes each distribution on model parameter $\theta$ to its induced distribution on statistic $𝑇$. The statistic $T$ is said to be complete when $f$ is surjective, and sufficient when $f$ is injective.

(emphasis mine)

Is this claim true? ie does $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ being injective imply statistic $T$ is sufficient?

My research so far:

I think wikipedia is incorrect, as I can prove by counterexample. ie I can provide an example where $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective but $T$ is not a sufficient statistic.

Consider this conditional probability distribution of samples X given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{X\,\mid \,\theta}$:

(table 1)

$\theta$1 $\theta$2
x1 0.1 0.2
x2 0.2 0.2
x3 0.3 0.3
x4 0.4 0.3

and here is the map of samples X to statistic $T$, meaning that statistic $T$ calculated for sample $x_i$ (column 1) has value equal to $t_j$ (column 2) ie $T(x_i)=t_j$:

(table 2)

sample statistic
x1 t1
x2 t1
x3 t2
x4 t2

which leads to the following conditional probability distribution of statistic $T$, given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{T\,\mid\,\theta}$:

(table 3)

$\theta$1 $\theta$2
t1 0.3 0.4
t2 0.7 0.6

In this case $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective (can be deduced from table 3), but the statistic $ T$ is not sufficient, as for a given $T $ the conditional probability of $X $ is a function of $\theta$ (can be deduced form table 1 and table 2).

Wikipedia says

... consider the map $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ which takes each distribution on model parameter $\theta$ to its induced distribution on statistic $𝑇$. The statistic $T$ is said to be complete when $f$ is surjective, and sufficient when $f$ is injective.

(emphasis mine)

Is this claim true? ie does $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ being injective imply statistic $T$ is sufficient?

My research so far:

I think wikipedia is incorrect, as I can prove by counterexample. ie I can provide an example where $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective but $T$ is not a sufficient statistic.

Consider this conditional probability distribution of samples $X$ given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{X\,\mid \,\theta}$:

(table 1)

$\theta_1$ $\theta_2 $
$x_1$ $0.1 $ $0.2 $
$x_2$ $ 0.2$ $0.2 $
$x_3$ $0.$3 $0.3 $
$x_4$ $ 0.4 $ $0.3 $

and here is the map of samples $ X$ to statistic $T$, meaning that statistic $T$ calculated for sample $x_i$ (column 1) has value equal to $t_j$ (column 2) ie $T(x_i)=t_j$:

(table 2)

sample statistic
x1 t1
x2 t1
x3 t2
x4 t2

which leads to the following conditional probability distribution of statistic $T$, given parameters $\theta$, ie $p_{T\,\mid\,\theta}$:

(table 3)

$\theta$1 $\theta$2
t1 0.3 0.4
t2 0.7 0.6

In this case $f:p_{\theta }\mapsto p_{T\,\mid\, \theta }$ is injective (can be deduced from table 3), but the statistic $ T$ is not sufficient, as for a given $T $ the conditional probability of $X $ is a function of $\theta$ (can be deduced form table 1 and table 2).

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