Timeline for Does visiting an A&E in a NHS hospital cost £111?
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| Oct 9, 2016 at 15:25 | comment | added | Tim Galvin | Given hospitals at 24 hours they are likely to be much more efficient in their use of capital. I just don't buy it at all. | |
| Oct 9, 2016 at 15:24 | comment | added | Tim Galvin | @matt_black yes not rubbish.. They just don't lead to the conclusion the poster is arguing for. So it's basically a lie. The "stepping into" phrasing I read as "marginal cost". | |
| Oct 9, 2016 at 15:18 | comment | added | matt_black | @TimGalvin None of that means the numbers quoted are completely rubbish and the basis of calculation is fairly clear in the NHS. | |
| Oct 9, 2016 at 15:17 | comment | added | matt_black | @TimGalvin Actual payments to A&E departments are based on hospital estimates of average costs (which might be rubbish). Hospitals also make additional money if they admit the patient. More importantly, the cost is an average not the extra marginal cost of treating an additional patient, which is what really matters if patient behaviour changes. Sine most costs are fixed, the marginal cost is likely much lower. | |
| Oct 9, 2016 at 15:09 | comment | added | Tim Galvin | @matt_black so really it is just poor accounting. I'd say that if AE receives funding on such a poorly constructed basis, they probably make a profit on the "time waisters" which they use to subsidise more costly and serious cases. No one has said anything that makes me think the poster isn't nonsense... | |
| Oct 5, 2016 at 8:54 | comment | added | matt_black | @TimGalvin And the costing for GP activity is even more fuzzy. We know the total cost of paying GPs but there is no reliable count of how many appointments they have every year and it is unclear whether estimates of cost include the cost of the drugs they dispense (which would double the cost of GP services if we included it). | |
| Oct 5, 2016 at 8:50 | comment | added | matt_black | @TimGalvin That is a good question: if the A&E were organised to treat minor conditions effectively it would be cheaper. A&Es are paid different rates for different treatments ranging from £56 to about £240. The number quoted on the poster is the average across a typical mix of patients. But costing systems are not very good so the real costs may be different. | |
| Oct 4, 2016 at 14:57 | answer | added | Jamiec♦ | timeline score: 6 | |
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| Oct 4, 2016 at 14:45 | comment | added | Jamiec♦ | @TimGalvin I don't think that's one we can answer, there is no notable claim there. | |
| Oct 4, 2016 at 14:43 | history | edited | Jamiec♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 4, 2016 at 14:05 | comment | added | Tim Galvin | But the real question I was getting at is: does a visit to AE for someone with a minor complaint really cost more than the equivalent visit to the GP.. And why? Does the hospital utilise more expensive resources and why | |
| Oct 4, 2016 at 14:02 | history | reopened |
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| Oct 3, 2016 at 17:12 | review | Reopen votes | |||
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| Oct 1, 2016 at 12:15 | comment | added | mmmmmm | What is the source of this claim - a cropped photo suggests that something important has been cut off | |
| Oct 1, 2016 at 11:54 | comment | added | TonyK | Just to make it clear to all readers: the sums quoted are the (estimated) cost to the NHS, not to the patient. All these services are free of charge. | |
| Oct 1, 2016 at 8:48 | comment | added | Sklivvz | I've edited the question to something that is effectively claim and that we can answer. If you are OK with it I'll reopen, otherwise choose another explicit, specific claim and edit accordingly. | |
| Oct 1, 2016 at 8:45 | history | edited | Sklivvz | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 1, 2016 at 8:44 | history | closed |
March Ho Sklivvz |
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| Sep 30, 2016 at 21:43 | history | edited | Oddthinking♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 29, 2016 at 23:59 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Sep 29, 2016 at 23:16 | history | asked | Tim Galvin | CC BY-SA 3.0 |