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Tuor Túor, Beren and LuthienLúthien - the gifts of Mortality and Immortality from Eru vs the Valar

According to the legendarium

It was a tradition under the Eldar and Edain that they [Idril and Tuor]Túor] arrived in Valinor, and that TuorTúor alone of Men was counted among the Eldar, immortal as other Elves.

but also, after Beren's death

[In Mandos] [Luthien][Lúthien] sang a song of woe before the throne of Mandos Lord of the Dead... As a result he summoned Beren from the houses of the dead.

and

Even Manwë could not change the fate of Men, and so he presented Lúthien with the [] choice [] to return to the land of Middle-earth together with Beren as a mortal herself, accepting the Doom of Men and sharing in whatever unknown fate awaits them outside the Circles of the World.

According to the citation on Tolkien Gatewaycitation on Tolkien Gateway, Tolkien confirms that TuorTúor being granted immortality was a unique exception by the special will of Ilúvatar himself - Eru being the only one capable of taking/giving the the gifts of Mortality and Immortality, which were gifts from Eru to the Eruhini - in Letter #153.

But then we have the Valar recalling Beren's spirit and bringing it back to life (for a limited time) and giving the 'Gift/Doom' of Mortality to LuthienLúthien, without any hint of intervention by Eru.

Is there any info in Tolkien's letters or in any other publications regarding this?

How were the Valar able to take away Luthien'sLúthien's immortality and give her mortality, when apparently that's the purview of Eru alone? (How did Beren's dead soul turn up in Mandos, when he should have suffered the Doom of Men and how did the Valar have the authority to send it back to MEMiddle-earth even on a temporary basis?)

Edited to add the cases of LuthienLúthien and Beren as well, because this all seems extremely related and possibly one question.

Tuor, Beren and Luthien - the gifts of Mortality and Immortality from Eru vs the Valar

According to the legendarium

It was a tradition under the Eldar and Edain that they [Idril and Tuor] arrived in Valinor, and that Tuor alone of Men was counted among the Eldar, immortal as other Elves.

but also, after Beren's death

[In Mandos] [Luthien] sang a song of woe before the throne of Mandos Lord of the Dead... As a result he summoned Beren from the houses of the dead.

and

Even Manwë could not change the fate of Men, and so he presented Lúthien with the [] choice [] to return to the land of Middle-earth together with Beren as a mortal herself, accepting the Doom of Men and sharing in whatever unknown fate awaits them outside the Circles of the World.

According to the citation on Tolkien Gateway, Tolkien confirms that Tuor being granted immortality was a unique exception by the special will of Ilúvatar himself - Eru being the only one capable of taking/giving the the gifts of Mortality and Immortality, which were gifts from Eru to the Eruhini - in Letter #153.

But then we have the Valar recalling Beren's spirit and bringing it back to life (for a limited time) and giving the 'Gift/Doom' of Mortality to Luthien, without any hint of intervention by Eru.

Is there any info in Tolkien's letters or in any other publications regarding this?

How were the Valar able to take away Luthien's immortality and give her mortality, when apparently that's the purview of Eru alone? (How did Beren's dead soul turn up in Mandos, when he should have suffered the Doom of Men and how did the Valar have the authority to send it back to ME even on a temporary basis?)

Edited to add the cases of Luthien and Beren as well, because this all seems extremely related and possibly one question.

Túor, Beren and Lúthien - the gifts of Mortality and Immortality from Eru vs the Valar

According to the legendarium

It was a tradition under the Eldar and Edain that they [Idril and Túor] arrived in Valinor, and that Túor alone of Men was counted among the Eldar, immortal as other Elves.

but also, after Beren's death

[In Mandos] [Lúthien] sang a song of woe before the throne of Mandos Lord of the Dead... As a result he summoned Beren from the houses of the dead.

and

Even Manwë could not change the fate of Men, and so he presented Lúthien with the [] choice [] to return to the land of Middle-earth together with Beren as a mortal herself, accepting the Doom of Men and sharing in whatever unknown fate awaits them outside the Circles of the World.

According to the citation on Tolkien Gateway, Tolkien confirms that Túor being granted immortality was a unique exception by the special will of Ilúvatar himself - Eru being the only one capable of taking/giving the the gifts of Mortality and Immortality, which were gifts from Eru to the Eruhini - in Letter #153.

But then we have the Valar recalling Beren's spirit and bringing it back to life (for a limited time) and giving the 'Gift/Doom' of Mortality to Lúthien, without any hint of intervention by Eru.

Is there any info in Tolkien's letters or in any other publications regarding this?

How were the Valar able to take away Lúthien's immortality and give her mortality, when apparently that's the purview of Eru alone? (How did Beren's dead soul turn up in Mandos, when he should have suffered the Doom of Men and how did the Valar have the authority to send it back to Middle-earth even on a temporary basis?)

Edited to add the cases of Lúthien and Beren as well, because this all seems extremely related and possibly one question.

edited for clarity
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According to the legendarium

It was a tradition under the Eldar and Edain that they [Idril and Tuor] arrived in Valinor, and that Tuor alone of Men was counted among the Eldar, immortal as other Elves.

but also, after Beren's death

[In Mandos] [Luthien] sang a song of woe before the throne of Mandos Lord of the Dead... As a result he summoned Beren from the houses of the dead.

and

Even Manwë could not change the fate of Men, and so he presented Lúthien with the [] choice [] to return to the land of Middle-earth together with Beren as a mortal herself, accepting the Doom of Men and sharing in whatever unknown fate awaits them outside the Circles of the World.

According to the citation on Tolkien Gateway, Tolkien confirms that Tuor being granted immortality was a unique exception by the special will of Ilúvatar himself - Eru being the only one capable of taking/giving the the gifts of Mortality and Immortality, which were gifts from Eru to the Eruhini - in Letter #153.

But then we have the Valar recalling Beren's spirit and bringing it back to life (for a limited time) and giving the 'Gift/Doom' of Mortality to Luthien, without any hint of intervention by Eru.

Is there any info in Tolkien's letters or in any other publications regarding this?

Why was the special exception of immortality granted, and to Tuor alone? How were the Valar able to take away Luthien's immortality and give her mortality, when apparently that's the purview of Eru alone? (How did Beren's dead soul turn up in Mandos, when he should have suffered the Doom of Men and how did the Valar have the authority to send it back to ME even on a temporary basis?)

Edited to add the cases of Luthien and Beren as well, because this all seems extremely related and possibly one question.

According to the legendarium

It was a tradition under the Eldar and Edain that they [Idril and Tuor] arrived in Valinor, and that Tuor alone of Men was counted among the Eldar, immortal as other Elves.

but also, after Beren's death

[In Mandos] [Luthien] sang a song of woe before the throne of Mandos Lord of the Dead... As a result he summoned Beren from the houses of the dead.

and

Even Manwë could not change the fate of Men, and so he presented Lúthien with the [] choice [] to return to the land of Middle-earth together with Beren as a mortal herself, accepting the Doom of Men and sharing in whatever unknown fate awaits them outside the Circles of the World.

According to the citation on Tolkien Gateway, Tolkien confirms that Tuor being granted immortality was a unique exception by the special will of Ilúvatar himself - Eru being the only one capable of taking/giving the the gifts of Mortality and Immortality, which were gifts from Eru to the Eruhini - in Letter #153.

But then we have the Valar recalling Beren's spirit and bringing it back to life (for a limited time) and giving the 'Gift/Doom' of Mortality to Luthien, without any hint of intervention by Eru.

Is there any info in Tolkien's letters or in any other publications regarding this?

Why was the special exception of immortality granted, and to Tuor alone? How were the Valar able to take away Luthien's immortality and give her mortality, when apparently that's the purview of Eru alone? (How did Beren's dead soul turn up in Mandos, when he should have suffered the Doom of Men and how did the Valar have the authority to send it back to ME even on a temporary basis?)

Edited to add the cases of Luthien and Beren as well, because this all seems extremely related and possibly one question.

According to the legendarium

It was a tradition under the Eldar and Edain that they [Idril and Tuor] arrived in Valinor, and that Tuor alone of Men was counted among the Eldar, immortal as other Elves.

but also, after Beren's death

[In Mandos] [Luthien] sang a song of woe before the throne of Mandos Lord of the Dead... As a result he summoned Beren from the houses of the dead.

and

Even Manwë could not change the fate of Men, and so he presented Lúthien with the [] choice [] to return to the land of Middle-earth together with Beren as a mortal herself, accepting the Doom of Men and sharing in whatever unknown fate awaits them outside the Circles of the World.

According to the citation on Tolkien Gateway, Tolkien confirms that Tuor being granted immortality was a unique exception by the special will of Ilúvatar himself - Eru being the only one capable of taking/giving the the gifts of Mortality and Immortality, which were gifts from Eru to the Eruhini - in Letter #153.

But then we have the Valar recalling Beren's spirit and bringing it back to life (for a limited time) and giving the 'Gift/Doom' of Mortality to Luthien, without any hint of intervention by Eru.

Is there any info in Tolkien's letters or in any other publications regarding this?

How were the Valar able to take away Luthien's immortality and give her mortality, when apparently that's the purview of Eru alone? (How did Beren's dead soul turn up in Mandos, when he should have suffered the Doom of Men and how did the Valar have the authority to send it back to ME even on a temporary basis?)

Edited to add the cases of Luthien and Beren as well, because this all seems extremely related and possibly one question.

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Why was Tuor Granted, Beren and Luthien - the gifts of Mortality and Immortality? from Eru vs the Valar

According to the legendarium

It was a tradition under the Eldar and Edain that they [Idril and Tuor] arrived in Valinor, and that TuorTuor alone of Men was counted among the Eldar, immortal as other Elves.

but also, after Beren's death

[In Mandos] [Luthien] sang a song of woe before the throne of Mandos Lord of the Dead... As a result he summoned Beren from the houses of the dead.

and

Even Manwë could not change the fate of Men, and so he presented Lúthien with the [] choice [] to return to the land of Middle-earth together with Beren as a mortal herself, accepting the Doom of Men and sharing in whatever unknown fate awaits them outside the Circles of the World.

According to the citation on Tolkien Gateway, Tolkien confirms that thisTuor being granted immortality was a unique exception apparently granted by the special will of Ilúvatar himself (as- Eru being the only one capable of taking/giving the the gifts of Mortality and Immortality, he'd given his creations)which were gifts from Eru to the Eruhini - in Letter #153.

HoweverBut then we have the Valar recalling Beren's spirit and bringing it back to life (for a limited time) and giving the 'Gift/Doom' of Mortality to Luthien, iswithout any hint of intervention by Eru.

Is there any info in Tolkien's letters or in any other publications regarding this?

whyWhy this exception was the special exception of immortality granted, and to Tuor alone? How were the Valar able to take away Luthien's immortality and give her mortality, when apparently that's the purview of Eru alone? (How did Beren's dead soul turn up in Mandos, when he should have suffered the Doom of Men and how did the Valar have the authority to send it back to ME even on a temporary basis?)

Edited to add the cases of Luthien and Beren as well, because this all seems extremely related and possibly one question.

Why was Tuor Granted Immortality?

According to the legendarium

It was a tradition under the Eldar and Edain that they [Idril and Tuor] arrived in Valinor, and that Tuor alone of Men was counted among the Eldar, immortal as other Elves.

According to the citation on Tolkien Gateway, Tolkien confirms that this was a unique exception apparently granted by the special will of Ilúvatar himself (as the only one capable of taking/giving the the gifts of Mortality and Immortality, he'd given his creations) in Letter #153.

However, is there any info in Tolkien's letters or in any other publications regarding why this exception was granted, and to Tuor alone?

Tuor, Beren and Luthien - the gifts of Mortality and Immortality from Eru vs the Valar

According to the legendarium

It was a tradition under the Eldar and Edain that they [Idril and Tuor] arrived in Valinor, and that Tuor alone of Men was counted among the Eldar, immortal as other Elves.

but also, after Beren's death

[In Mandos] [Luthien] sang a song of woe before the throne of Mandos Lord of the Dead... As a result he summoned Beren from the houses of the dead.

and

Even Manwë could not change the fate of Men, and so he presented Lúthien with the [] choice [] to return to the land of Middle-earth together with Beren as a mortal herself, accepting the Doom of Men and sharing in whatever unknown fate awaits them outside the Circles of the World.

According to the citation on Tolkien Gateway, Tolkien confirms that Tuor being granted immortality was a unique exception by the special will of Ilúvatar himself - Eru being the only one capable of taking/giving the the gifts of Mortality and Immortality, which were gifts from Eru to the Eruhini - in Letter #153.

But then we have the Valar recalling Beren's spirit and bringing it back to life (for a limited time) and giving the 'Gift/Doom' of Mortality to Luthien, without any hint of intervention by Eru.

Is there any info in Tolkien's letters or in any other publications regarding this?

Why was the special exception of immortality granted, and to Tuor alone? How were the Valar able to take away Luthien's immortality and give her mortality, when apparently that's the purview of Eru alone? (How did Beren's dead soul turn up in Mandos, when he should have suffered the Doom of Men and how did the Valar have the authority to send it back to ME even on a temporary basis?)

Edited to add the cases of Luthien and Beren as well, because this all seems extremely related and possibly one question.

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