Timeline for Did the Ring Bearers and Gimli die in Valinor?
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| Apr 10, 2023 at 5:52 | comment | added | SusanW | Nitpick: "The Ring is destroyed in 1422 by Shire reckoning" - It's SR 1419 isn't it? not 1422. Sam was married in 1420. | |
| Apr 1, 2021 at 17:07 | comment | added | Spencer | Tolkien addresses Bilbo and Frodo directly because he was asked about them. On the other hand, This question suggests that things may be different for Túrin and Ar-Pharazôn and his army -- They have to wait for Dagor Dagorath. | |
| Apr 1, 2021 at 14:50 | history | edited | TylerH | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 19, 2020 at 5:31 | comment | added | Jonathon |
Great answer. It might also be worth mentioning that not only would Fordo et al still be mortal, but they would apparently die particularly fast in Valinar. For it is not the land of Manwe that makes its people deathless, but the Deathless that dwell therein have hallowed the land; and there you would but wither and grow weary the sooner, as moths in a light too strong and steadfast.
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| Apr 9, 2019 at 20:40 | comment | added | Mark Olson | Under the influence of a Ring of Power, a mortal does not become immortal, he simply doesn't die. Gandalf said "'A mortal, Frodo, who keeps one of the Great Rings, does not die, but he does not grow or obtain more life, he merely continues, until at last every minute is a weariness." This is not immortality, but a fate truly worse than death. | |
| Mar 12, 2015 at 2:25 | vote | accept | Kevin | ||
| Oct 3, 2013 at 14:14 | comment | added | Beofett | @Kevin I believe the quotes in this answer support the idea that the destruction of The One Ring did end that effect. | |
| Aug 28, 2013 at 14:30 | comment | added | Plutor | You're right -- the free will thing is important ("they should have a virtue to shape their life, amid the powers and chances of the world, beyond the Music of the Ainur, which is as fate to all things else", The Beginning Of Days) but not the Gift. But "dwarves are mortal but in a different way" is my whole point. It's not mortality that's the gift, but the leaving of Arda completely. | |
| Aug 28, 2013 at 13:07 | comment | added | terdon | @Plutor dwarves are mortal but in a different way. Dwarves were not part of Ilúvatar's plan but were creations of Aulë. When they die they return to his halls at death. The Silmarillion makes a point of differentiating human mortality from that of other races and mortality, in the sense that after death humans go off to mysterious lands that only Ilúvatar knows about (not even the Valar) is indeed his gift to men and is exclusive to them. I have no idea where you get the free will thing. | |
| Aug 27, 2013 at 12:22 | comment | added | Plutor | I feel like there's a common misconception that the Gift of Men is mortality -- Dwarves are also mortal. The Gift of Men is the combination of not being bound to Arda and the ability to shape their own lives beyond the Music of the Ainur (free will of a deeper sense than that of the Elves). | |
| Aug 27, 2013 at 0:11 | comment | added | user56 | @Kevin Valinor certainly trumps the One Ring: it is an artifact of Middle-earth. I don't think Frodo (let alone Sam) had the Ring for long enough for it to have a significant effect. Bilbo did, but what matters is that he lived to sail West, after which he would die (and presumably age) in his own time. | |
| Aug 27, 2013 at 0:03 | comment | added | Kevin | The first quote (letter 246) is certainly an authoritative answer, but is there anything more about the One Ring's influence? While it existed it seemed to keep Gollum, the Hobbits, and even the Nazgûl alive (for some definition of "alive"; their spirits attached to their bodies at least) while it existed. Is there anything about whether that effect would endure indefinitely if it remained extant, and whether its destruction ended that effect or just reduced its duration? | |
| Aug 26, 2013 at 23:17 | history | answered | user56 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |