Timeline for Would Tolkien's elves have faded if not originally summoned to Valinor?
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| Feb 2 at 14:50 | vote | accept | Michael Foster | ||
| Jan 3 at 19:47 | comment | added | Shamshiel | Having now read the linked question, the answer there is simply incorrect. The "doom" (in the sense of fate) of the Elves' immortality is not related to the doom (in the sense of punishment) inflicted on the Noldor only that the could no longer live in Valinor, but only in Eressea. The things are totally unrelated, and that's why it has nothing to do with the Avari, who do nevertheless still fade - but who could live in Valinor if they chose! | |
| Jan 3 at 18:47 | comment | added | Andres F. | @Shamshiel agreed, people are quick to VTC as "opinion based" when it's not evidently opinion-based, as in "there is a chance the author actually wrote about this" (and if not, "all the author said is $THING" is a reasonable answer). IMO "opinion based" is when the question is openly about debate/speculation that obviously cannot possibly involve the author (e.g. "if Elves lived in other planets, would they have built spaceships?" or "would Tolkien Elves be able to cross-breed with Warhammer Eldar?"). | |
| Jan 3 at 17:25 | comment | added | Shamshiel | @MichaelFoster: Don't take it personally, it's really common for people to vote to close questions that follow all the rules and which have an answer. No idea why. I am sure if there are any additional votes there are enough people to reopen. | |
| Jan 3 at 17:23 | answer | added | Shamshiel | timeline score: 3 | |
| Jan 3 at 16:40 | answer | added | lfurini | timeline score: 3 | |
| Jan 2 at 22:33 | comment | added | chepner | To add to @lfurini's comment, I vaguely recall the fading being related to the strength of the Elves' fear, along with the amount of time the fear spends bound to the body. (In contrast, Men's fear spend a very small amount of time embodied before leaving Arda for wherever Eru destined them to go.) | |
| Jan 1 at 0:56 | comment | added | Michael Foster | I don't understand a close vote. If the answer turns out to be "unknown" that is understandable, but I have only read The Hobbit, LotR, and The Silmarillion, so wouldn't know. I look forward to your answer. | |
| Dec 31, 2023 at 10:35 | comment | added | lfurini | HOME 10 has some interesting content about the fading of the elves and its relation with the marring of Arda. Later I'm probably going to try and put together an answer, if no one precedes me; the aim of this comment is obviously not to claim that "I said it before you", but just to object to the close votes. | |
| Dec 30, 2023 at 1:41 | review | Close votes | |||
| Dec 30, 2023 at 6:15 | |||||
| Dec 29, 2023 at 21:46 | comment | added | Mark Olson | An interesting question, but not one Tolkien answered, really. (Though in some of his attempts at re-writes he certainly speculated.) Perhaps, like Men's fear of death, this fading is a consequence of Arda having been marred by Melkor's infusion of his spirit into it in the beginning? | |
| Dec 29, 2023 at 19:39 | history | asked | Michael Foster | CC BY-SA 4.0 |