Timeline for If somebody stole the nine rings from Sauron, could that person control the Ringwraiths?
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| May 18, 2017 at 17:26 | vote | accept | RichS | ||
| May 18, 2017 at 8:58 | answer | added | Voronwé | timeline score: 8 | |
| May 18, 2017 at 5:36 | comment | added | wyvern | @chepner: I don't think it works exactly like that, because Sauron had control of the Nazgul during the period when he did not possess the One Ring. The possible scenarios I can see are that the Nazgul are connected to Sauron himself to some extent (maybe with the One Ring as a "passive" intermediary, in the same sense that the ring "passively" supported the foundations of Barad-Dur by its very existence, but not with the ring as an instrument that needs to be actively used to control them) or that they are controlled via the Nine rings, as the quotation seems to imply. | |
| May 18, 2017 at 0:26 | comment | added | chepner | @Edlothiad I don't think so. Controlling a Ringwraith isn't necessarily a power of one of the Nine; I'm of the opinion that the Nine simply put their users, eventually, under the direct control of the One Ring. | |
| May 17, 2017 at 9:38 | comment | added | Edlothiad | I'd say this is a dupe of "Could anyone use the one ring" as they're all Rings of Power, this is just a lesser ring and not the Great Ring | |
| May 17, 2017 at 8:28 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackSciFi/status/864759402292813825 | ||
| May 17, 2017 at 7:58 | comment | added | cometaryorbit | I don't know any way to come up with a canonically-backed answer for this one, but it should probably work -- though there might be a minimum level of 'power' or 'force of will' to do that. However, the Nazgul are Men, not Maiar, so it wouldn't be the equivalent of contesting Sauron for the control of the One Ring. The hard part is stealing the Rings from Sauron! | |
| May 16, 2017 at 20:34 | comment | added | RichS | @void_ptr And how would Gandalf control a hobbit who controls nine Nazgul? | |
| May 16, 2017 at 20:32 | comment | added | J Doe | This makes me wonder: where did the Nine rings go after Isildur defeated Sauron? | |
| May 16, 2017 at 20:31 | history | edited | RichS | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 16, 2017 at 20:12 | comment | added | wyvern | There is also a good point made by Wad Cheber's answer to Would the Nazgul have been greater in power if they had their rings? that much of the Nazgûl's ability to successfully exercise their power is based on their relationship with Sauron (e.g. he provides the beasts they rely on for transport; the flying "fell beasts" are more obviously difficult to replace than the ordinary horses they use earlier, but I think even the horses had to be specially bred to tolerate the Nazgul as their riders). | |
| May 16, 2017 at 20:11 | comment | added | Ian Thompson | @sumelic --- Gandalf also says that Sauron has the Nine rings (in the Shadow of the Past). It's likely that his remark at the Council of Elrond ("the Nine the Nazgul keep") was a mistake. If the Nazgul had the Nine, Frodo would have noticed on Weathertop. | |
| May 16, 2017 at 20:10 | comment | added | void_ptr | Gandalf would simply find more burglars. Good thing about hobbits is that there's so many of them. | |
| May 16, 2017 at 20:09 | comment | added | Valorum | @RichS - Breaking into Sauron's tower/s to steal all nine of the Nazgul's rings sounds like an absolutely amazing plot for a sequel to Ocean's 11. | |
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| May 16, 2017 at 20:05 | comment | added | wyvern | Note that some people have argued that the Nazgul had their rings after all, despite that Tolkien quote, based on the following statement made by Gandalf in-universe: "The Nine the Nazgûl keep" (see NominSim's answer to Did the Nazgûl retain their Rings of Power?) | |
| May 16, 2017 at 20:04 | comment | added | RichS | @Valorum Don't laugh! That plan might work! Look at who stole a simaril from Angband when it was guarded by somebody more powerful than Sauron. It wasn't an entire army of elves or dwarves or men. It was just Beren and Luthien. | |
| May 16, 2017 at 19:54 | comment | added | Valorum | Good luck with that plan, y'all. | |
| May 16, 2017 at 19:40 | history | edited | RichS | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 16, 2017 at 19:26 | history | asked | RichS | CC BY-SA 3.0 |