Timeline for Which ship can go faster, the Millennium Falcon or the USS Enterprise-D?
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| Aug 7, 2020 at 6:49 | comment | added | Valorum | @SovereignSun - Not only can I, but I did. | |
| Aug 7, 2020 at 6:02 | comment | added | SovereignSun | You cannot compare how light, physics and gravity work in the two absolutely different universes. | |
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| Mar 5, 2020 at 18:37 | comment | added | GridAlien | Warp speed is inconsistent, even in ST. As this answer states (scifi.stackexchange.com/a/77492/125493), the 1701-D is "slower" than the original going at 8.4 (TOS). | |
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| Jun 15, 2019 at 17:41 | comment | added | Justin Time - Reinstate Monica | As a note, @KutuluMike, a fair comparison would have to look at realspace distances traveled, considering that each series uses an entirely different form of FTL transport. | |
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| Mar 25, 2017 at 22:20 | comment | added | Nat | @Valorum Yeah, though when they raided the Death Star, they could've just had an unpiloted ship crash into it at light speed or whatever and called it a day. Rather, the ships appeared to be chasing each other, implying that they were moving near their operational limits, while going at what looks like 30 miles-per-hour (judging distance from the size of the people). At those slow speeds, conventional guns could've shot the fighters down with ease. None of it really makes any sense; it's just a movie. | |
| Mar 25, 2017 at 22:15 | comment | added | Valorum | @Nat - Indeed. But he was pretty clear that his ships were trans-galactic. | |
| Mar 25, 2017 at 21:59 | comment | added | Nat | @Valorum To level with you, because I can tell that you're a big fan, I'm looking at this as an engineer who just saw this question on HNQ. I saw Star Wars as a kid and thought it was a decent film. But, the physics and writing's absolutely horrible from any reasonable technical perspective; Lucas (assuming that he's the writer, right?) obviously had no idea how space worked. Which, makes sense, since the dude wrote the script long before Google, or even the modern educational system. So I'm willing to not criticize him for it, just he did write what he wrote. | |
| Mar 25, 2017 at 21:56 | comment | added | Nat | @Valorum He also had Hans say that he made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs or something. Whatever anyone's opinion about Lucas might be, it's pretty clearly stated in plain English. | |
| Mar 25, 2017 at 21:55 | comment | added | Valorum | @Nat - Except that that would mean that a journey between stars would take decades. Whatever your opinion of Lucas, you can't imagine that he was that clueless. | |
| Mar 25, 2017 at 21:53 | comment | added | Nat | @Valorum That means that that the MF ("she") can accelerate to ("make [it to]") 1.5 times ("point five beyond the") the speed of light. Just normal English to my eye. It's how guys who love cars brag about the top speed that their cars can get to. Hans is the same way, just he has a space ship instead of a car. | |
| Mar 25, 2017 at 21:51 | comment | added | Valorum | @Nat - He did not say that. He said that "She'll make point five past lightspeed" whatever the hell that means. | |
| Mar 25, 2017 at 21:49 | comment | added | Nat | @DavidW The issue's not really that they're two different universes; you could ask the same question about two ships in the same universe and encounter the same problems. Or even the same ship in the same universe; for example, the above answer estimates the MF's speed as "175,200,000 times the speed of light" while the MF's owner bragged that it could get up to 1.5 times the speed of light. It's this sorta thing that makes the question not have a consistent answer, not that two different universes are involved. | |
| Mar 24, 2017 at 20:00 | comment | added | KutuluMike | nah. pedantry is pointing out that a Trek ship in warp is stationary from it's perspective and thus moves at 0 ly/sec. It's the ships warp bubble that moves at 9.8 warp. | |
| Mar 24, 2017 at 19:57 | comment | added | Valorum | @KutuluMike - You and ILoveYou should form a pedants club | |
| Mar 24, 2017 at 19:56 | comment | added | KutuluMike | the "speed" of an object is how quickly it's position changes over time. The only way to measure it is to know the distance traveled from the reference frame of the object. That's how time dilation and other such physics concepts work: objects move "less distance" from their own reference than we think they did from ours. From the Falcon's perspective, it didn't move 70k light years, it moved "however long the hyperspace lane was." | |
| Mar 24, 2017 at 19:41 | comment | added | Valorum | @KutuluMike - A straight-line distance is the requirement for a calculation of speed. The fact that you can travel other than through space doesn't change the fact that you moved from a to b and that it took x time. | |
| Mar 24, 2017 at 19:30 | comment | added | KutuluMike | bah. the Falcon's speed calculation is nonsense. Just because it travelled an apparent 70k light years doesn't mean the ship moved that distance in hyperspace. That's like someone taking a shortcut through a marathon and claiming they ran at 150kph. | |
| Mar 23, 2017 at 19:08 | comment | added | Valorum | @Jules - There's a line slightly earlier; "the old man had been lecturing Luke from the moment the ship had settled into hyperspace.". Now you could argue that maybe the ship had taken days to "settle into hyperspace" but that conflicts with what we've seen in Rebels where the crew press a few buttons, then go about their business while they wait for the ship to near its destination. | |
| Mar 23, 2017 at 18:33 | comment | added | Jules | @Valorum I'm a long way from convinced that quote means what you're interpreting it as. Consider that "a few hours" may be what's left of the journey at the point they have the discussion, which may well be multiple days into the journey. | |
| Mar 22, 2017 at 23:01 | comment | added | Tim | @DaaaahWhoosh if you take spied = distance / time, then it definitely has a higher speed. | |
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| Mar 22, 2017 at 5:40 | comment | added | T.J.L. | The warp factor scale changed between TOS and TNG; it was Factor-cubed in TOS, and... far more complicated... in TNG. | |
| Mar 21, 2017 at 23:41 | comment | added | Kaithar | @MarkKCowan as I understand, the point of "the Kessel run in 12 parsecs" is that the run is a route past/through a cluster of black holes... the more powerful the ship the closer it can get to the black holes and thus the more optimum the path. | |
| Mar 21, 2017 at 20:38 | comment | added | David W | I believe most prior references in Trek establish warp factors to be n^3 the speed of light, not the square. eg Warp 2 = 8c, 3=27c. On that basis, Warp 9.8=941c. As for the OP's question, good grief, they're two different fictional universes. Let's debate how many angels can dance atop the head of a pin. | |
| Mar 21, 2017 at 20:07 | comment | added | WGroleau | An older "Star Trek Technical Manual" (purchased in 1974) said that Warp Factor N was N^2 times the speed of light. Which would make a trip at WF8 to anywhere take weeks or even months. | |
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| S Mar 21, 2017 at 19:46 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor♦ | The comments here were getting quite unwieldy and off-topic, so I've moved them to chat - please continue the discussion of physical theories of hyperspace there instead. | |
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| Mar 21, 2017 at 15:18 | comment | added | Mark K Cowan | @DaaaahWhoosh : Which IIRC, is why the Falcon made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs when parsec is a unit of distance. Apparently the race wasn't measured in time, it was measured in distance due to hyperspace routes or something like that. | |
| Mar 21, 2017 at 14:38 | comment | added | CptEric | Hyperspace in star wars is like hyperspace in Stargate, usually travel is done on a series of interconnected wormholes / routes. Free travel is slower, but more sneaky. Hyperspace in star trek is alcubierre-drive hyperspace. not that fun. | |
| Mar 21, 2017 at 14:10 | comment | added | DaaaahWhoosh | According to this answer and the Wookiepedia article on Hyperspace, hyperspace travel is more like a series of 'jumps' across 'wrinkles' in realspace. So it seems to me like the Falcon isn't going that fast, but is rather taking a series of shortcuts. | |
| Mar 21, 2017 at 14:08 | comment | added | Valorum | @JackBNimble - In the new novelisation; scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/103114/… - "The kid must have heard it because he scowled and switched the lightsaber off. “Oh, this is pointless. What can I really learn on a ship in a few hours?”" | |
| Mar 21, 2017 at 13:45 | comment | added | Jack B Nimble | Where is it said it is only a few hours from Tatooine to Alderaan? | |
| Mar 21, 2017 at 13:25 | comment | added | Machavity | I guess .5 past light speed just isn't what it used to be | |
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