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7@user486818 -- you seem to be assuming that "honorable," for a Klingon (or at least for Worf, who grew up among humans) must mean: "Grab all the political power you can get, as fast as possible! Any other course of action is dishonorable!" That's one heck of a sweeping assumption. If you can quote canonical dialogue which had Worf (or other Klingons) saying exactly that about their cultural definition of "honor," it would strengthen your case. But as it now stands, I think it just comes down to different people (and cultures), having very different definitions of "honorable."– LorendiacCommented Mar 18, 2017 at 1:55
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8In my opinion, your conflation between honor, prestige, and face, is nonsensical.– ApproachingDarknessFishCommented Mar 18, 2017 at 2:22
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2@user486818: “ I am using what I understand of humans today in the modern world context. If a person can get promoted to become a CEO rather than remain as a manager, wouldn't that be more honourable?” Not without further context. Perhaps as a manager, they can make life better for the people they manage; whilst as CEO, they’d be bound to make their shareholders richer at the expense of everyone else.– Paul D. WaiteCommented Mar 18, 2017 at 12:16
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4@user486818 -- "most humans" would say "higher salary equals more honor"? Where do you get that? I've heard lots of my fellow humans voice dark suspicions about the ethics ("honor" by another name) of billionaire tycoons, high-paid lawyers, Wall Street traders, and the sort of politicians who get elected President of the United States (and I don't just mean from one particular party). There seem to be many people who feel that "if a man has huge success in worldly terms, it's probably a sign that he never lets a 'moral code' interfere with his desire to grab as much money & power as possible!"– LorendiacCommented Mar 18, 2017 at 12:36
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2@user486818: again, we’re just arguing about the definition of “honour”. According to Dictionary.com, there’s more than one.– Paul D. WaiteCommented Mar 18, 2017 at 12:49
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