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| Mar 7, 2016 at 15:34 | comment | added | John Sensebe | @Richard, but if the Borg were always in the past, then the Enterprise was, too, and you can't have the Borg timeline. In a causality loop, no other timeline is possible. Also, Seven of Nine was a drone. The Borg may have a terrific grasp of temporal mechanics, but that doesn't mean each nameless drone does. It's like Back to the Future. Marty goes back and creates a timeline where he was never born. He has to correct the timeline before it fully asserts itself, so he gets his parents together, but the resulting timeline is not the same one he left. | |
| Mar 6, 2016 at 18:59 | comment | added | Hypnosifl | @Richard - One problem with positing both a fixed timeline #1 with a temporal loop and an alternate timeline #2 is that it implies that when the Borg went back in time, they were split in two, with one arriving in the past of the timeline #1 and one arriving in the past of the timeline #2, but when the Enterprise followed them back in time, it did not split in two, arriving in the past of timeline #1 but not in the past of the timeline #2 for some unknown reason. Though I guess an alternative possibility is that the Enterprise also appeared in timeline #2's past, but failed to stop the Borg. | |
| Mar 6, 2016 at 15:54 | comment | added | Valorum | @JohnSensebe - Seven of Nine suggests that there was no initial successful attempt. The Borg always intervened in the past, causing the Enterprise to involve themselves in the launch. | |
| Mar 6, 2016 at 15:33 | comment | added | John Sensebe | @Richard, but the cause existed already. Cochrane made his flight without assistance. Otherwise the timeline in which the Borg assimilate Earth is impossible. Picard decides to go back in time because of this new timeline. He's not generating the past; he's correcting it. If the Enterprise were always part of the past, the Borg timeline could not have happened, because Data and Picard would have always killed the Borg Queen. | |
| Mar 5, 2016 at 11:16 | comment | added | Praxis | @JohnSensebe : +1, I agree that certain aspects can only be explained by the existence of an additional timeline, e.g. Seven's parents knowing about the Borg before the events of "Q Who" and the Federation having no knowledge of the Borg despite the events of "Regeneration" in Enterprise. These events cannot be explained by a loop alone. See my answer here. | |
| Mar 5, 2016 at 8:27 | comment | added | Valorum | Ah, but that's the point of a temporal loop. Cause can follow effect. | |
| Mar 5, 2016 at 0:53 | comment | added | John Sensebe | The need for a third timeline is that first you had Cochrane, then you have Cochrane and Borg, then you have Cochrane and Borg and Enterprise. If the Enterprise was always there, then there is no way Earth could have been assimilated, as seen by the crew. | |
| Mar 5, 2016 at 0:50 | comment | added | Valorum | There only appear to be two timelines, one in which the Borg assimilate the Earth (in the absence of the Enterprise) and one in which they don't (where the Enterprise is present in the past). I don't really see the need for a third timeline. | |
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| Mar 5, 2016 at 0:38 | history | answered | John Sensebe | CC BY-SA 3.0 |