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Iraq never supported October 7

Since some of these sources are being very selectively read, I'll cite this with the counter case https://amwaj.media/article/inside-story-the-hamas-delegation-s-rare-visit-to-iraq

It claims that far from the Iraqi state supporting Hamas, Hamas came to Iraq to embarrass the state and was only hosted by a sectarian paramilitary group there,

Speaking on condition of anonymity as he was unauthorized to publicly comment on the matter, one source affiliated with Sudani’s media office told Amwaj.media that the invitation for Hamas to visit Baghdad is seen as an attempt to embarrass the Iraqi government. Characterizing the invitation as having little to do with the Palestinian cause, the source claimed that the visit was essentially payback for Sudani and some of his allies in the Iran-backed Shiite Coordination Framework having “rejected” the “demands to acquire sensitive security positions ” by some Shiite armed groups.

Why is it an embarrassment? Because Iraq has been working against the militant groups responding to Israel's brutality by defending American assets,

Even going as so far as, from what's said in leaked documents, to redistributing domestic resources to assist in the defense,

On the other hand, alleged documents attributed to the Iraqi defense ministry that have been circulating on social media speak of the need to redistribute and secure arms depots, redistribute aircraft among bases, secure means of transportation for senior officials as well as communications equipment, and activate efforts by the intelligence services to deter any possible threats. These alleged instructions, if true, indicate that the Iraqi government may be preparing for a confrontation.

Also, let's review the statement by Iraq,

Iraq affirms its firm position, as a people and a government, towards the Palestinian issue, and that it stands by the Palestinian people in achieving their aspirations and obtaining their full legitimate rights, and that injustice and the usurpation of these rights cannot produce sustainable peace. The operations carried out today by the Palestinian people are the natural result of the systematic oppression they have suffered since ancient times at the hands of the Zionist occupying authority, which has never adhered to international resolutions and the UN.

Hamas isn't mentioned once.
The term "natural": as a mater of fact, by definition, "natural" in this context doesn't mean "moral". Moral is prescriptive, it describes how people ought to behave. Natural is how they do behave. Iraq is saying that given the circumstance of occupation the people are naturally and predictably acting as you would expect. It is reasonable to state that Iraq views Hamas not acting with agency but out of condition, in the same way a dog will likely respond with aggression if you step on their tail -- regardless of intent.
"Support for the Palestinians": even when a state commits an atrocity, it's unlikely other allies drop support for the "people" or the cause. When Israel committed the Sabra and Shatila massacre, how many western countries removed their support for the people of Israel or Zionism (Jewish nationalism)? How many countries dropped support for the people of South Korea after the Jeju massacre.? This is an unreasonable expectation. While you may want to read into "support for the people" as "support for the atrocity" these are distinct statements.

Iraq never supported October 7

Since some of these sources are being very selectively read, I'll cite this with the counter case https://amwaj.media/article/inside-story-the-hamas-delegation-s-rare-visit-to-iraq

It claims that far from the Iraqi state supporting Hamas, Hamas came to Iraq to embarrass the state and was only hosted by a sectarian paramilitary group there,

Speaking on condition of anonymity as he was unauthorized to publicly comment on the matter, one source affiliated with Sudani’s media office told Amwaj.media that the invitation for Hamas to visit Baghdad is seen as an attempt to embarrass the Iraqi government. Characterizing the invitation as having little to do with the Palestinian cause, the source claimed that the visit was essentially payback for Sudani and some of his allies in the Iran-backed Shiite Coordination Framework having “rejected” the “demands to acquire sensitive security positions ” by some Shiite armed groups.

Why is it an embarrassment? Because Iraq has been working against the militant groups responding to Israel's brutality by defending American assets,

Even going as so far as, from what's said in leaked documents, to redistributing domestic resources to assist in the defense,

On the other hand, alleged documents attributed to the Iraqi defense ministry that have been circulating on social media speak of the need to redistribute and secure arms depots, redistribute aircraft among bases, secure means of transportation for senior officials as well as communications equipment, and activate efforts by the intelligence services to deter any possible threats. These alleged instructions, if true, indicate that the Iraqi government may be preparing for a confrontation.

Also, let's review the statement by Iraq,

Iraq affirms its firm position, as a people and a government, towards the Palestinian issue, and that it stands by the Palestinian people in achieving their aspirations and obtaining their full legitimate rights, and that injustice and the usurpation of these rights cannot produce sustainable peace. The operations carried out today by the Palestinian people are the natural result of the systematic oppression they have suffered since ancient times at the hands of the Zionist occupying authority, which has never adhered to international resolutions and the UN.

Hamas isn't mentioned once.
The term "natural": as a mater of fact, by definition, "natural" in this context doesn't mean "moral". Moral is prescriptive, it describes how people ought to behave. Natural is how they do behave. Iraq is saying that given the circumstance of occupation the people are naturally and predictably acting as you would expect. It is reasonable to state that Iraq views Hamas not acting with agency but out of condition, in the same way a dog will likely respond with aggression if you step on their tail -- regardless of intent.
"Support for the Palestinians": even when a state commits an atrocity, it's unlikely other allies drop support for the "people" or the cause. When Israel committed the Sabra and Shatila massacre, how many western countries removed their support for the people of Israel? How many countries dropped support for the people of South Korea after the Jeju massacre. This is an unreasonable expectation. While you may want to read into "support for the people" as "support for the atrocity" these are distinct statements.

Iraq never supported October 7

Since some of these sources are being very selectively read, I'll cite this with the counter case https://amwaj.media/article/inside-story-the-hamas-delegation-s-rare-visit-to-iraq

It claims that far from the Iraqi state supporting Hamas, Hamas came to Iraq to embarrass the state and was only hosted by a sectarian paramilitary group there,

Speaking on condition of anonymity as he was unauthorized to publicly comment on the matter, one source affiliated with Sudani’s media office told Amwaj.media that the invitation for Hamas to visit Baghdad is seen as an attempt to embarrass the Iraqi government. Characterizing the invitation as having little to do with the Palestinian cause, the source claimed that the visit was essentially payback for Sudani and some of his allies in the Iran-backed Shiite Coordination Framework having “rejected” the “demands to acquire sensitive security positions ” by some Shiite armed groups.

Why is it an embarrassment? Because Iraq has been working against the militant groups responding to Israel's brutality by defending American assets,

Even going as so far as, from what's said in leaked documents, to redistributing domestic resources to assist in the defense,

On the other hand, alleged documents attributed to the Iraqi defense ministry that have been circulating on social media speak of the need to redistribute and secure arms depots, redistribute aircraft among bases, secure means of transportation for senior officials as well as communications equipment, and activate efforts by the intelligence services to deter any possible threats. These alleged instructions, if true, indicate that the Iraqi government may be preparing for a confrontation.

Also, let's review the statement by Iraq,

Iraq affirms its firm position, as a people and a government, towards the Palestinian issue, and that it stands by the Palestinian people in achieving their aspirations and obtaining their full legitimate rights, and that injustice and the usurpation of these rights cannot produce sustainable peace. The operations carried out today by the Palestinian people are the natural result of the systematic oppression they have suffered since ancient times at the hands of the Zionist occupying authority, which has never adhered to international resolutions and the UN.

Hamas isn't mentioned once.
The term "natural": as a mater of fact, by definition, "natural" in this context doesn't mean "moral". Moral is prescriptive, it describes how people ought to behave. Natural is how they do behave. Iraq is saying that given the circumstance of occupation the people are naturally and predictably acting as you would expect. It is reasonable to state that Iraq views Hamas not acting with agency but out of condition, in the same way a dog will likely respond with aggression if you step on their tail -- regardless of intent.
"Support for the Palestinians": even when a state commits an atrocity, it's unlikely other allies drop support for the "people" or the cause. When Israel committed the Sabra and Shatila massacre, how many western countries removed their support for the people of Israel or Zionism (Jewish nationalism)? How many countries dropped support for the people of South Korea after the Jeju massacre? This is an unreasonable expectation. While you may want to read into "support for the people" as "support for the atrocity" these are distinct statements.

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Evan Carroll

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Iraq never supported October 7

Since some of these sources are being very selectively read, I'll cite this with the counter case https://amwaj.media/article/inside-story-the-hamas-delegation-s-rare-visit-to-iraq

It claims that far from the Iraqi state supporting Hamas, Hamas came to Iraq to embarrass the state and was only hosted by a sectarian paramilitary group there,

Speaking on condition of anonymity as he was unauthorized to publicly comment on the matter, one source affiliated with Sudani’s media office told Amwaj.media that the invitation for Hamas to visit Baghdad is seen as an attempt to embarrass the Iraqi government. Characterizing the invitation as having little to do with the Palestinian cause, the source claimed that the visit was essentially payback for Sudani and some of his allies in the Iran-backed Shiite Coordination Framework having “rejected” the “demands to acquire sensitive security positions ” by some Shiite armed groups.

Why is it an embarrassment? Because Iraq has been working against the militant groups responding to Israel's brutality by defending American assets,

Even going as so far as, from what's said in leaked documents, to redistributing domestic resources to assist in the defense,

On the other hand, alleged documents attributed to the Iraqi defense ministry that have been circulating on social media speak of the need to redistribute and secure arms depots, redistribute aircraft among bases, secure means of transportation for senior officials as well as communications equipment, and activate efforts by the intelligence services to deter any possible threats. These alleged instructions, if true, indicate that the Iraqi government may be preparing for a confrontation.

Also, let's review the statement by Iraq,

Iraq affirms its firm position, as a people and a government, towards the Palestinian issue, and that it stands by the Palestinian people in achieving their aspirations and obtaining their full legitimate rights, and that injustice and the usurpation of these rights cannot produce sustainable peace. The operations carried out today by the Palestinian people are the natural result of the systematic oppression they have suffered since ancient times at the hands of the Zionist occupying authority, which has never adhered to international resolutions and the UN.

Hamas isn't mentioned once.
The term "natural": as a mater of fact, by definition, "natural" in this context doesn't mean "moral". Moral is prescriptive, it describes how people ought to behave. Natural is how they do behave. Iraq is saying that given the circumstance of occupation the people are naturally and predictably acting as you would expect. It is reasonable to state that Iraq views Hamas not acting with agency but out of condition, in the same way a dog will likely respond with aggression if you step on their tail -- regardless of intent.
"Support for the Palestinians": even when a state commits an atrocity, it's unlikely other allies drop support for the "people" or the cause. When Israel committed the Sabra and Shatila massacre, how many western countries removed their support for the people of Israel? How many countries dropped support for the people of South Korea after the Jeju massacre. This is an unreasonable expectation. While you may want to read into "support for the people" as "support for the atrocity" these are distinct statements.