Timeline for Are there developed countries where elected officials can easily terminate government workers?
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| Jun 2, 2023 at 7:48 | comment | added | Rekesoft | I think that position exists in almost any western european country, but I'm not sure if that's what the OP was refering to. In general, the rule is "if the person got their position by direct designation, they can be swiftly removed by the same finger that put them there". That's not true for "true" civil servants who got there by the standard procedure of admission - whatever that it is at the country. | |
| Jan 16, 2023 at 20:47 | comment | added | ohwilleke♦ | @Hobbamok There are roughly 9,000 federal government political appointees in the U.S. who are typically easy to fire. The positions covered are listed in a publication called the Plum Book (after the color of the publication and related I'm not sure which came first, to the concept of a "plum job"). commerce.gov/hr/practitioners/ses-policies/plum-book | |
| Jan 16, 2023 at 15:39 | comment | added | Hobbamok | This system is also what the US has, but to a far higher degree, hence the insane amount of new appointments with each new government over there. I just dn't know how the US codifies it | |
| Jan 16, 2023 at 14:41 | comment | added | quarague | The distinction here is that elected politicians can remove 'politische Beamte' from their position but if that happens the person will not be unemployed but rather continue working for the government in a less prominent position. | |
| Jan 16, 2023 at 10:48 | comment | added | Stuart F | In the UK there are similar positions e.g. special advisers (SpAds). Although I can't find precise rules on their firing, it is not unknown for them to be fired at the whim of ministers or senior party figures, although they can sometimes sue. | |
| Jan 16, 2023 at 10:33 | comment | added | sleske | @Roland: Oh yes, sorry I forgot that while ministers are politicians that get their job by winning elections (with their party), they are technically appointed, not elected. | |
| Jan 16, 2023 at 10:26 | comment | added | Roland | The highest supervisor is the minister. A minister is not elected (although they can also be an elected politician). | |
| Jan 16, 2023 at 10:12 | comment | added | sleske | @Roland: Well, I believe they are technically the supervisors (Vorgesetzter) of the workers in their department / ministry, so they could initiate proceedings (or have them initiated) to terminate a worker. But only within the given laws, of course, which make firing very difficult. That's what I meant by "no special rights". | |
| Jan 16, 2023 at 10:03 | comment | added | Roland | "elected politicians do not have special rights to fire them" They have absolutely no rights to fire them. | |
| Jan 16, 2023 at 9:13 | history | answered | sleske | CC BY-SA 4.0 |