Timeline for Does any international law support the claim that "Taiwan's independence or not should be decided by Taiwanese people, not by any other country"?
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| Aug 23, 2022 at 9:04 | comment | added | dosvarog | So basically what you say is that dealing with Kosovo as independent country would be an attack on the territorial integrity of Serbia? | |
| Aug 22, 2022 at 17:15 | comment | added | Stack Exchange Supports Israel | @MatthieuM. neither is the principle that giving some group a choice means they are independent... | |
| Aug 22, 2022 at 17:09 | comment | added | Matthieu M. | @user253751: The principle of self-determination is not law, so no. | |
| Aug 22, 2022 at 16:51 | comment | added | I Funball | @MatthieuM. I think what's lost in translation here is that whether a region desires to be independent or not is left up to that region. Whether it is recognized as independent by outside observers is left up to each individual outside observer. The region can label itself as independent, but not be considered independent by any other party, like the Chechen Republic. They declared themselves an independent country and functionally were no longer part of Russia, despite no one recognizing them as such. | |
| Aug 22, 2022 at 14:54 | comment | added | Stack Exchange Supports Israel | @MatthieuM. the principle of self-determination gives that choice to every group of people. So everyone is independent? | |
| Aug 22, 2022 at 14:40 | comment | added | Matthieu M. | @user253751: You are missing the point. The point is not whether you can define Bavarian people, but whether you rule that the independence of Bavaria is up to Germans or to Bavarian. If you rule the latter, you already gave a measure of independence to Bavarians -- you gave them the choice to recognize Germany's authority, or not. | |
| Aug 22, 2022 at 14:04 | comment | added | Stack Exchange Supports Israel | @SJuan76 then, I guess people already consider Bavaria and Catalonia to be independent? | |
| Aug 22, 2022 at 13:58 | comment | added | SJuan76 | @user253751 what is important is not talking about "Taiwanese people", but saying that "Taiwanese people have the right to decide on Taiwan's independence". If they have that right, you already consider them independent, since the opinion of mainland China is not relevant. | |
| Aug 22, 2022 at 13:40 | comment | added | Stack Exchange Supports Israel | How does talking about "Taiwanese people" imply that Taiwan is an independent country? We can talk about Bavarian people even though Bavaria is not recognized as independent. | |
| Aug 22, 2022 at 11:58 | comment | added | got trolled too much this week | It's also true that Kosovo is probably not the norm, as far as UNSC goes. More common were either applauses like for East Timor's independence or condemnations like for Northern Cyprus. So in those cases, UNSC was more of a "judge and jury". | |
| Aug 22, 2022 at 10:42 | comment | added | got trolled too much this week | This isn't quite accurate. ICJ decided that since "final status" of Kosovo was left open, some group from Kosovo declaring independence wasn't illegal (after many years of failed negotiations). But there's no circuliarity here because ICJ didn't decide itself that the final status was up for debate. And likewise the UNSC which did leave the final status as an open question, didn't (itself) decide that Kosovo should be independent. | |
| Aug 22, 2022 at 5:57 | history | answered | SJuan76 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |