Timeline for What has China gained by doing military drills after Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan?
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| Aug 10, 2022 at 12:46 | comment | added | Achi | @FaitoDayo It's bad when the US does iffy stuff abroad, and it's bad when China does iffy stuff abroad. Currently, China's the one that has the spotlight. Also, it's worth noting that Taiwan is a rich and well functioning democracy that just wants to be left alone. | |
| Aug 9, 2022 at 21:45 | comment | added | Ted Wrigley | @FaitoDayo: Yeesh... No. It's isn't about how things are 'being portrayed'. It's about what 'is happening'. I'm no more happy with America's bad actions than I am with China's, and while I'm sure there's media spin on both sides, the response to that is not to spout whataboutisms or encourage moral relativism. I get that you're pro-China and that's fine. But I cannot abide the whiny comparativism that nationalists of every stripe cling to. Enough already! | |
| Aug 9, 2022 at 16:18 | comment | added | Faito Dayo | None of the reply actually mentioned the real issue here. It is not about who is bully--because anybody could be and, maybe once. The issue is how the bullying is being portrayed to the Western audiences. Any bullying carried out by the Eastern block is portrayed proportionally worse than the ones carried out by the West, despite both are making their targets' life worse (besides, how many taiwanese got killed due to chinese bombs, and how many middle-east, latin america, and africa innnocent resident got killed due to us invasion or intervention?) | |
| Aug 9, 2022 at 13:15 | comment | added | Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight | @Fizz Many years ago I read an (apocryphal???) story claiming that was finally got Mao to stop trying to start WW3 was a few of his generals being given a briefing by the US DOD on how thoroughly the smallish fraction of the US strategic arsenal that would be left after de-industrializing the Soviet Union could reduce the population of China if used in a counter population attack. | |
| Aug 9, 2022 at 6:54 | comment | added | Alexander The 1st | Which is to say, they're posturing essentially; they're doing everything that would scare off doves without provoking hawks, so that they don't have to retreat. | |
| Aug 9, 2022 at 6:53 | comment | added | Alexander The 1st | @FaitoDayo: One major difference between the Taiwan bombers and fighters attacking infrastructure and China's current "Bullying" tactics currently; Taiwan was actually attacking, so could claim the acts they were performing were "Heroic attacks", but China notably does not want to start a fight. Think the evolution game theory "Hawks vs Doves", with added modes for "Bully" type enemies - they'll fight if the other side doesn't fights back, but as soon as the other side does, they back off. China does not want to start a fight that drags in a hawk opponent - they want to fight doves. | |
| Aug 8, 2022 at 20:59 | history | edited | Ted Wrigley | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 8, 2022 at 11:37 | comment | added | got trolled too much this week | Mao was also constantly goading the USSR to start a nuclear war (!) with the US around that time, because in Mao's conception thereof, the socialist camp would win such a war, because it had more population. | |
| Aug 8, 2022 at 11:26 | comment | added | got trolled too much this week | As it's somewhat related, a good example here of such a regression would be one of the first episodes in the Sino-Soviet split, around 1957, Khrushchev proposed to Mao to deploy Soviet SSBNs using Chinese ports and radio infrastructure, but Mao retorted that K was trying to "control China's coast" and threatened the USSR with a guerilla war! | |
| Aug 8, 2022 at 1:44 | comment | added | Ted Wrigley | @FaitoDayo: Everybody always has an excuse for the failings of their side, but I honestly don't care. Maybe Taiwan was the bully back in the 50s/60s; the PRC is the bully now. The first in not a justification for the second (except, you know, in pubescent logic). To my mind no one should be a bully, but that's apparently not a popular idea. Our bullies are heroes, and their heroes are bullies; that form of bloody ignorance is one of the great drivers of karma. | |
| Aug 8, 2022 at 1:32 | comment | added | Ted Wrigley | @user1271772: Adults tend to regress to stage 2 in certain contexts (often situations with low information, low trust, and high valence). It's too complex to get into the 'why' of that here, though... | |
| Aug 8, 2022 at 1:30 | comment | added | Ted Wrigley | @user1271772: Developmental psychology. Middle-schoolers are largely Kohlberg Stage 2, in that they've gotten past simple reward/punishment models and start seeking out tactics for fulfilling personal desires. Grammar school children lack the cognitive capacity for sustained campaigns, high school kids usually feel a pressure towards stages 3 and 4 (conventional morality). Middle school gives us that sweet spot for pure, unfiltered transactional interactions. | |
| Aug 8, 2022 at 0:50 | comment | added | Faito Dayo | I am often amuse at the western tone that when prc is threatening military action against taiwan, prc is bullying. But when taiwan--back in the 1950s to 1970s--fly bombers and fighters to attack mainland and sent operatives to sabotage mainland infrastructures, it is "justified anti-evil-commie heroics". I am fully supportive of Taiwanese people choosing their fate, it just feel like the whole "ukraine war is a surprised war in civilized world" vibe | |
| Aug 8, 2022 at 0:47 | comment | added | user1271772 | Why middle school rather than high school or elementary school? | |
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| Aug 7, 2022 at 18:02 | history | edited | Ted Wrigley | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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