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A relationship between Lagrangian formalism and Hamiltonian formalism

In the Lagrangian formalism, The Lagrangian $$L = T\text{(kinetic energy)} - V\text{(potential energy)}$$ The equations of motion for a given system is given by minimizing the action functional which ...
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What properties make the Legendre transform so useful in physics?

The Legendre transform plays a pivotal role in physics in its connecting Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formalisms. This is well-known and has been discussed at length in this site (related threads are e....
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Are these two expressions for $\mathrm{d}E/\mathrm{d}t$ compatible?

This is purely recreational, but I'm eager to know the answer. I was playing around with Hamiltonian systems whose Hamiltonian is not equal to their mechanical energy $E$. If we split the kinetic ...
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Do dynamic systems that are based on a variational principle imply a conservation law?

In many dynamic systems in classical physics, as well as quantum mechanics, the equation of motion can be derived from a variational principle (VP), i.e. minimizing an action integral of some sort. I ...
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Why does nature favour systems that follow from a variational principle? [closed]

When Newton discovered ‘Newton’s law’ he was probably not aware that it could be viewed as a consequence of minimizing an ‘action integral’ (integral of some Lagrangian density). Since the same is ...
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How is kinetic energy $T$ given by $T=\dfrac{1}{2}\sum_{i}p_{i}\dot{q_{i}}$ in Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics?

Im going through a website teaching Hamiltonian mechanics and I know the below $$-\dot{p}_{i}=\dfrac{\partial H}{\partial q_{i}} \tag{14.3.12}$$ $$\dot{q}_{i}=\dfrac{\partial H}{\partial p_{i}} \tag{...
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Lagrange's equation is form invariant under EVERY coordinate transformation. Hamilton's equations are not under EVERY phase space transformation. Why?

When we make an arbitrary invertible, differentiable coordinate transformation $$s_i=s_i(q_1,q_2,...q_n,t),\forall i,$$ the Lagrange's equation in terms of old coordinates $$\frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\...
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Lagrange with Higher Derivatives (Ostrogradsky instability) [duplicate]

In class our teacher told us that, if a Lagrangian contain $\ddot{q_i}$ (i.e., $L(q_i, \dot{q_i}, \ddot{q_i}, t)$) the energy will be unbounded from below and it can take any lower values (in other ...
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How to solve for the velocities when calculating the conjugate momenta in special relativity?

I try to get the momenta $$p_{\sigma} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^{\sigma}}$$ from the free one particle Lagrangian $$L = -mc\sqrt{-\eta_{\mu\nu}\dot{x}^{\mu}\dot{x}^{\nu}}.$$ I got to the ...
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What is the physical significance of $ -\frac{\partial L}{\partial t} = \frac{\partial H}{\partial t} $?

Let's assume a conservative holonomic system with $n$ independent generalized coordinates and a Lagrangian $L(q,\dot{q},t)$, resulting in a system of $n$ Lagrange differential equations of second ...
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I don't get this "derivation" of canonical transformation

Given a transformation $$(q, p, t)\to (Q(q, p, t), P(q, p, t), t),$$ the modified Hamiltonian, $K$ is related to the original one, $H$, as $$H(q, p, t) = K(Q(q, p, t), P(q, p, t), t).$$ Now, what I've ...
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Hamiltonian Mechanics without a Lagrangian

Let's say I want to develop Hamiltonian mechanics from scratch without going through Lagrangian mechanics and Legendre transformations. How would I go about doing that? What I am struggling with is a ...
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Lagrangian with Higher Order derivatives and Ignorable coordinate

I have a Lagrangian for a physical system that ends up being function of one generalized coordinate $q_1$, its generalized velocity $\dot{q}_1$ and its generalized (?) accelration $\ddot{q}_1$, and ...
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Can someone explain conservation laws in terms of state space?

"Whenever a dynamical law divides the state space into separate cycles, there is a memory of which cycle they started in. Such a memory is called a conservation law." —What is meant by this ...
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Hamiltonian formalism in Goldstein's matrix representation, chap. 8.1

There are several points over which I stumble when studying Goldstein, 3rd ed., chap 8.1, concerning the matrix representation of the hamiltonian formalism. In (8.22) he assumes the lagrangian to be (...
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