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Is there an "invariant" quantity for the classical Lagrangian?

$$ L = \sum _ { i = 1 } ^ { N } \frac { 1 } { 2 } m _ { i } \left| \dot { \vec { x } _ { i } } \right| ^ { 2 } - \sum _ { i < j } V \left( \vec { x } _ { i } - \vec { x } _ { j } \right) $$ This ...
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Why is Noether's theorem important?

I am just starting to wrap my head around analytical mechanics, so this question might sound weird or trivial to some of you. In class I have been introduced to Noether's theorem, which states that ...
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Justification of the Least Action Principle using conservation of information

In this Phys.SE question, one answer (by Ron Maimon) claims that one can make the assumption of a least action principle plausible using Liouville's Theorem as another starting point of the theory. ...
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Action principle, Lagrangian mechanics, Hamiltonian mechanics, and conservation laws when assuming Aristotelian mechanics $F=mv$

Define a physical system when Aristotelian mechanics $F=mv$ instead of Newtonian mechanics $F=ma$. Then we could have action $I=\int L(q,t)dx$ rather than $\int L(q',q,t)dx$. Is there an action ...
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Noethers Symmetries for a system in different cases

If the lagrangian is $$L=\frac{m}{2}\left( \dot x_1^2+ \dot x_2^2\right)−b(x_1−x_2)^2+a( \dot x_1x_2− \dot x_2x_1).$$ What are the Noether symmetries of the system and the corresponding conserved ...
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Noether's Theorem: form of infinitesimal transformation

Noether's theorem states that if the functional $J$ is an extremal and invariant under infinitesimal transformation, $$ t' = t+ \epsilon \tau + ...,\tag{1}$$ $$ q^{\mu'} = q^{\mu} + \epsilon \zeta^{\...
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Constants of motion from a Lagrangian

If I have a Lagrangian (made up equation in this case): $$L = \frac{1}{2}mr^2\dot\theta + \frac{1}{4}mg\ddot\theta \, ,$$ can I immediately conclude that the total energy is constant because $\...
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Lagrange's Demon de-Conserves Angular Momentum

Monsieur Lagrange pulls a string down through a hole in a horizontal table thereby effecting a rotating (point) mass. A daemon sits on his shoulder and takes careful note of the proceedings. There is ...
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Noether's theorem for space translational symmetry

Imagine a ramp potential of the form $U(x) = a*x + b$ in 1D space. This corresponds to a constant force field over $x$. If I do a classical mechanics experiment with a particle, the particle behaves ...
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A mass hanging under a table: a problem from Goldstein [closed]

I'm trying to solve Problem 1.19 from Goldstein's Chapter 1 (2nd edition), and am getting bogged down in trigonometry (?). Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong! Two mass points of mass $...
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Is there something more to Noether's theorem?

From the definition of Lagrangian mechanics, Noether's theorem shows that conservation of momentum and energy comes from invariance vs time and space. Is the reverse true? Are Lagrangian mechanics ...
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Derivation of law of inertia from Lagrangian method (Landau)

I'm reading Landau's Book. He tries to conclude the law of inertia from the Lagrange equations. For that, he argues (by nice suppositions about space and time), that the lagrangian must depend only ...
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Is it possible to project a problem of mechanics in a lower dimensionality?

I had the intuition that, in classical mechanics, when the trajectory of a body is known, then analysis of its motion can be done in the linear space of that trajectory, if all forces are projected on ...
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Non-relativistic Kepler orbits

Consider the Newtonian gravitational potential at a distance of Sun: $$\varphi \left ( r \right )~=~-\frac{GM}{r}.$$ I write the classical Lagrangian in spherical coordinates for a planet with mass $...
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