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Invariance of action integral under point transformations

I am reading Goldstein classical mechanics chapter 2 p. 35. Here the author states that the action integral $$\int L(q,\dot q,t)dt$$ is invariant under change in generalized coordinates $$q_i=q_i(s_1,...
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Why does the action $S=\int L dt=\int (T-V) dt$ have to be minimised (or maximised) to produce Newton's Second Law? [duplicate]

We have recently covered the Lagrangian in our lectures, whereby it was shown that all equations of motion ($x(t)$) satisfying the Euler-Lagrange equation with Lagrangian $L=T-V$, where $T=\frac{1}{2}...
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Principle of stationary action vs Euler-Lagrange Equation

I am a bit confused as to what I should use to derive the equations of motions from the lagrange equation. Suppose I have a lagrange function: $$L(x(t), \dot{x}(t)) = \frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2-\frac{1}{...
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What systems can the Principle of Least Action be applied? [duplicate]

When reading about the Calculus of Variation and Hamilton's principle I come across quotes like this Hamilton's principle states that the differential equations of motion for any physical system ...
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Fermat's principle in classical mechanics?

I do know the principle of least action, but is it possible to formulate classical mechanics based on the principle of least time? That is, if we know the initial state $(x_i,p_i)$ of the particle and ...
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Is the Lagrangian of a non-relativistic particle just $\dot{x}$?

Let $$ S= m \int_a^b \dot{x}dt $$ Using the relation $L\to L^2/2$, (see Geodesic Equation from variation: Is the squared lagrangian equivalent?) I obtain $$ S=m\int_a^b\frac{1}{2}(\dot{x})^2dt $$ ...
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Solving free particles with Fourier series

Here's a silly idea : take the action of a free particle, $$S = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} \dot{x}^2 dt$$ Our configuration space is the space of $C^1$ functions over $[t_1, t_2]$, which is spanned by the ...
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Does it make sense to say that the action is even or odd under time reversal?

The action of a system in mechanics is an integral over time defined as $$S[x(t)]=\int\limits_{t_1}^{t_2}L(x,\dot{x},t)dt.$$ Here, the time $t$ is integrated making the left hand side depend only on ...
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Why is there a Lagrangian? [duplicate]

In all discussions regarding the Lagrangian formulation it has always been said that $L = T - V $, only is a correct guess that when operated via through the Euler -Lagrange equation yields something ...
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Why does the 'metric Lagrangian' approach appear to fail in Newtonian mechanics?

A well known derivation of the free-space Lagrangian in Special Relativity goes as follows: The action $\mathcal{S}$ is a functional of the path taken through configuration space, $\mathbf{q}(\lambda)...
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Action principle and Functional derivative in CM

I want to extremize this well known action. $$S[\phi]=\int \mathcal{L}(\phi(t),\dot{\phi}(t)) dt $$ The result is also well known. It turns out to be E-L equation. The Action principle states that the ...
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How principle of least action? [duplicate]

I had learned the principle of least action.But I didn't get the motive behind taking the least action. Or why should the particle follow a path where it have a least action?
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Derivation of Hamilton-Jacobi equation

I am trying my own way of deriving the Hamilton Jacobi equation $$\frac{\partial S}{\partial t} = -H \tag{1}$$ through direct variation. I think the difficulty of doing this is that the upper limit ...
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Taylor expansion in derivation of Noether-theorem

In my classical mechanics lecture we derived the Noether-theorem for a coordinate transformation given by: $$ q_i(t) \rightarrow q^{'}_i(t)=q_i(t) + \delta q_i(t) = q_i(t) + \lambda I_i(q,\dot q,t).$$...
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Show two Lagrangians are equivalent

I need to show that these two Lagrangians are equivalent: \begin{align} L(\dot{x},\dot{y},x,y)&=\dot x^2+\dot y + x^2-y ,\\ \tilde{L}(\dot x, \dot y, x, y)&=\dot x^2+\dot y -2y^3. \end{align} ...
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