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I recently watched this video (this paper seems to argue the same thing), where, near the end of the video, a very interesting argument against the Argument from Disagreement (where, moral skeptics argue that due to the amount of persistence disagreement in regard to moral issues, we can conclude that there is no objective morality) is brought up. The argument essentially states that the same argument used to disprove moral realism can be used to disprove moral skepticism. For example, if we held that:

Moral realism is subject to persistent disagreement.

Any claim which is subjected to persistence disagreement is objectively false.

Moral realism is false.

We could make the same claim with skepticism:

Moral skepticism is subject to persistent disagreement.

Any claim which is subjected to persistence disagreement is objectively false.

Moral skepticism is false.

For clarification, I am referring to the disagreement between the entire concept of moral skepticism and, say, moral realism. It is the concept of "there is no objective morality" that is being disputed, not disagreements between moral skepticism theories themselves.

My question is: Are there any objections to this argument? How would such an argument proceed?

Thank you!

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  • Although you emphasize that the disagreement in question is extramural, the parochial disputes between moral anti-realists could also be of service as evidence for the conclusion you are analyzing: for they're examples of disagreement in this connection too, aren't they? "See, they can't even accept what each other says: who's to say there's anything to what any of them are saying?" I know that's not a good implicit argument (or is even a bad one), but the gist of it seems applicable, here. Commented Jun 17 at 2:07
  • @KristianBerry The point you are making seems fascinating, however, could you explain it in clearer terms? I am having trouble fully understanding your proposition.
    – Sam Cao
    Commented Jun 17 at 3:18
  • The realism-antirealism disagreement can be used as a (far from conclusive) piece of evidence against the soundness of the antirealist argument-from-disagreement, but if antirealism "by itself" is not even internally stable, then we can use both the external and internal disputes to tell against the original argument. Commented Jun 17 at 3:27
  • @KristianBerry Why does it matter that anti-realism is not internally stable? How can we use this fact to reject the objections posed against anti-realism?
    – Sam Cao
    Commented Jun 17 at 5:16
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    Oh no, I didn't mean "original argument" as in your OP argument, I meant the disagreement argument for anti-realism. I'm just saying you don't need to de-emphasize or set aside the internal disagreements that face anti-realism. I'm thinking of what the SEP says about the development of non-cognitivist non-realism: " As it developed to enable it to explain features of moral discourse relied on by its critics, the view became more subtle and presented a less stark contrast with realist positions." Commented Jun 17 at 9:04

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Argument set forth in this question

The general form of this argument, "X is subject to persistent disagreement, therefore not X" is a non-sequitur and obviously false. (If we accept it, then as you point out, we can use it to prove both "not X" and "not not X", so proof-by-contradiction it cannot be so.)

However, there's perhaps part of the argument structure that you're missing, which is something like:

  1. Y := If X, then almost all people would find X self-evident with sufficient reflection, study, and examination.
  2. There is persistent, substantial disagreement about X
  3. Therefore, not X, or not Y

Claim 1 is usually important to the moral realist, because one would like moral facts to be discoverable by some means, through moral philosophy or inherent knowledge or etc. So the moral realist has to either disagree with the argument structure (perhaps other moral philosophers simply aren't examining correctly), or accept that moral facts exist, but that they are, in practice, inaccessible even to other moral philosophers, which borders on anti-realism.

For the moral anti-realist, not Y is "If there are no moral truths, people might still believe that moral truths exist". Which is not a difficult thing for a moral anti-realist to agree with--it exactly describes the situation they believe exists right now.

Sampson Paper

However, the argument you set out isn't exactly the same as the argument Sampson is using. To quote pg 19 from the paper as an example, Sampson paraphrases Leiter as setting out this argument:

  1. If there is long-standing, intractable disagreement among the (supposed) experts about a subject matter S, then the best explanation for the existence and character of that disagreement is that there are no facts about S.
  2. There is long-standing, intractable disagreement among the (supposed) experts about ethics.
  3. Therefore, the best explanation for the long-standing, intractable disagreement among moral philosophers is that there are no facts about ethics.

Note that (Sampson's paraphrase of) Leiter's 1. is ~essentially the contrapositive of the earlier 1. So if we apply the straightforward approach, "S := moral anti-realism", we get:

  1. If there is long-standing, intractable disagreement about whether there are no moral facts, then the best explanation is that there are no facts about whether moral facts exist.
  2. There is long-standing disagreement about whether moral facts exist.
  3. Therefore, the best explanation is that no facts about the existence of moral facts exist.

To the anti-realist, this may be totally acceptable, since it forces the moral realist to argue that moral facts may or may not exist, but we have absolutely no way of knowing of their existence, or what they may be if they do exist. Which is not a particularly satisfying conclusion to the moral realist!

I haven't watched the video, but Sampson's argument in particular is actually in levelling the argument against epistemology:

  1. Supposing we accept Leiter's argument in general, if there is long-standing, intractable disagreement about metaphysics and epistemology, then the best explanation is that there are no metaphysical or epistemological facts.
  2. Suppose there is long-standing disagreement about metaphysics and epistemology.
  3. Therefore, the best explanation is that no metaphysical or epistemological facts.
  4. Claim 1, "if there is long-standing, intractable disagreement..., then the best explanation is..." is an epistemological claim, of which there is no fact.
  5. Thus, if we accept Leiter's argument, we must be accepting it without knowing (or being able to know) that its premises are true.
  6. We should reject Leiter's argument.
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  • Would it not be the case that “If there are no moral truths, then almost all people would still believe that moral truths exist?”
    – Sam Cao
    Commented Jun 17 at 22:06
  • @SamCao Hmm I'm not following, where is that coming from/what would it imply?
    – Kaia
    Commented Jun 18 at 17:38

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