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Consider the statement "language exists in some way". You cannot question that statement, otherwise you're implying the statement itself, since a question is a form of language. If one acknowledges they "doubt" the statement in some way, they have communicated that fact (through thought or externally), implying the knowledge of "doubt" which is part of a language as a word. If one "deny" the statement, then acknowledgement that the statement has been "denied", implies the statement again. Hence, one can deny the statement, but it will still hold, regardless.

One cannot "refute" the statement even if there is a refutation, since if one acknowledges there is a "refutation" they acknowledge their understanding of the word "refutation" which is a word defined in the English language itself otherwise, hence implying the statement themselves. Otherwise, one does not acknowledge a refutation, and so the claim remains.

Hence if one understands the statement, then the statement holds.

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    +1 I recommend G. E. Moore’s “A Defense of Common Sense” if you like arguments like this. Commented Jan 13 at 7:04
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    You can alter it to "This is a refutable statement" which is liar's paradox
    – Trebor
    Commented Jan 13 at 9:06
  • Your weak point may lie in 'some way', existence is only a logical quantifier normally speaking, otherwise you can simple claim 'something exists' with absolute confidence or 'I am' like Descartes. When anyone doubts following your reasoning, maybe doubt can be conceived as a linguistic word, but certainly it's something more so. Even if you're only willing to stay purely syntactic here you still cannot avoid semantic judgement though... Commented Jan 14 at 6:35
  • Well if you define your statement's content such that it holds universally (exactly what you're doing in your comments to the answers), then obviously it holds. It's like saying "something exists". Yes, if you define "exist" as encompassing every state of everything, then obviously, something exists.
    – DonQuiKong
    Commented Jan 14 at 16:22

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A theoretical weakness in your argument is that you might be imagining everything, including your communication with others, so in that sense your absolute certainty is misplaced. Of course, you are free to take the view that such objections are ridiculous nonsense and therefore your convictions remain on firm foundations.

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    Right, so if I'm imagining your skepticism right now, then I can't deny the fact that I am imagining language/communication, since the imagined skepticism is still a form of communication
    – Demon
    Commented Jan 13 at 10:04
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    Welcome to the infamous Malicious Demon. Alas Descartes didn't realise that his demon was too strong and that the counters he thought he'd developed to support Cogito Ergo Sum (or, in the original Meditations, the 'Non Cogito') didn't in fact work.
    – Brondahl
    Commented Jan 13 at 19:49
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    In case you're not familiar (which seems unlikely, given your handle), the MD is the same as the Brain-in-a-Vat, and more recently, the Matrix. It is "how do you know anything at all?", and the flaw is that any conceivable counter the the MD must rely on logical structure, and (in most cases) boils down to "this statement is self-evidently farcical, and therefore its inverse must be true". ... But a sufficiently pedantic and powerful demon simply says "how do you know that self-evident truths are true? Maybe I just tricked you into thinking that."
    – Brondahl
    Commented Jan 13 at 19:53
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    Maybe you don't even exist?
    – Brondahl
    Commented Jan 13 at 19:54
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    "you might be imagining everything, including your communication with others" ...can only write an "artificial intelligence"... (if you'd be "honest":) you proved communication! (by answering) though false, +1 for <3000 words!
    – xerx593
    Commented Jan 13 at 21:57
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Your argument hinges on whether the sentences doubting the existence of language are themselves instances of language with perfect certainty. If I doubt that this sentence right here is an instance of language, then there is no contradiction if I also doubt the existence of language. Perhaps the word "doubt" is not part of language as a word, as you have claimed.

What does "language" mean? Can you give a complete definition of "language" from first principles, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that this sentence is an example of it?

Some concepts are fundamentally incoherent. Naive set theory, for example, looks sensible on the face of it, but admits Russell's paradox, and is therefore incoherent. Can you prove that language is not a fundamentally incoherent concept? English admits the Berry paradox. If language is fundamentally an incoherent concept, then perhaps these sentences are not examples of language.

Is there any mechanical procedure to distinguish instances of "language" from instances of "non-language"? Are the curves on an oscilloscope "language" or not? How about the markings on a caterpillar? If we cannot precisely demarcate language from non-language, can we really be justifiably certain in saying that language exists, or that these sentences are instances of it? Arguably not.

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  • It's the medium by which we communicate. Could be symbolic, verbal, physical. It's defined in the camberidge dictionary
    – Demon
    Commented Jan 13 at 6:16
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    @demon, you could probably sidestep all of the red herrings that are being raised in the answers if you substituted communication for language. Commented Jan 13 at 8:00
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    I don't need to. The OP's argument is that if you want to refute the original statement you have to own up to having received and understood it, ergo the transmission and reception must have happened so you can't deny it. Commented Jan 13 at 8:28
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    Sure. You are imagining all this, so blame yourself if my comments are nonsense! Commented Jan 13 at 9:15
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    Nothing I have said implies "nothing exists" or "there is no such thing as language." That's a straw man; I do not believe that and did not say it. I've done nothing but point where there is room for doubt.
    – causative
    Commented Jan 13 at 15:30
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Not everyone at all times has the ability to understand. Understanding is an impermanent phenomena. If I don’t understand what you are saying then how can we establish the communication in the first place. Therefore your statement that “language exists in some way” always is not true. It depends on your faculty of understanding language. Language understanding ability is impermanent.

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  • I think you are missing the point, which is that in order for you to refute what Demon claims, you have to acknowledge that you have understood it, so communication must have taken place between the two of you. Commented Jan 13 at 7:59
  • @MarcoOcram I understand that Demon is saying “language exists in some way”. It is not true. I refute by giving examples of people who do not understand English or any other language. Language doesn’t always exist. Commented Jan 13 at 9:09
  • If I say "dogs exist", it doesn't mean that everyone has a dog, and showing a non-dog owner is not a refutation. Why should "language exists" require that everyone understands language?
    – Barmar
    Commented Jan 13 at 16:01
  • @Barmar There was a time when there were “no dogs”. Similarly there was a time when there was “no language “. I am saying , language didn’t always existed and will not exist forever and language doesn’t exist for everyone. Language is not out there somewhere having immortal existence. Commented Jan 13 at 16:12
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    @Barmar A man sees a sign which says: Dogs Must Be Carried On Escalator. He responds by saying, "Where am I going to find a dog at this time of night?"
    – Scott Rowe
    Commented Jan 13 at 16:57
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You're confusing assertion conditions with truth conditions. Indeed, perhaps one cannot assert 'language doesn't exist', but that doesn't mean that there are no circumstances under which this statement is true. It's similar with 'I don't exist' or 'I am dead' or 'I am sleeping' (they contain indexical expressions, so it's a bit more complicated, because truth conditions of the statement depend on who is referenced by the 'I').

Because clearly, "I don't exist" is true for p if and only if p doesnt't exist

And similarly "language doesn't exist" is true if and only if language doesn't exist

One can clearly see the difference if one uses a conditional, i.e. "If language doesn't exist, then no one speaks a language" is intelligible and true, although one couldn't ever tell that language doesn't exist. Similarly "When I am sleeping, please don't behave loudly" is clearly intelligible although one cannot say consciously that one is sleeping without contradicting oneself.

One application of this feature of language is known as the Frege-Geach argument against moral emotivism. If "Murder is immoral" was equivalent to "Boo, murder!" then moral discourse would be impossible, that is: "If murder is immoral, then one ought not to murder" would be clearly false, because: "If boo, murder, then x" is clearly nonsense, just as "If close the window!, then x" is nonsense.

In other words: When in doubt, embed a statement in a conditional and see what happens!

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    If I get around to it, I'll give that a try.
    – Scott Rowe
    Commented Jan 13 at 13:06
  • Maybe I cannot say "I'm sleeping" when I'm sleeping soundly, but at least I can mumble "mmm seepin" when I'm sleeping lightly!!
    – Stef
    Commented Jan 13 at 21:44
  • @Stef By assertion I understand something that can be understood as consciously commiting oneself to a statement, not merely making a sound. The distinction is perhaps blurry, but it can be elaborated, especially if we assume the agent is generally rational.
    – user71009
    Commented Jan 13 at 21:50
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I can refute your argument by challenging you to prove that the property 'irrefutable' exists. What does it mean to be irrefutable, and how can you prove it exists? Consider the following.

Your argument seems rather close to Cartesian certainty that begins with "I think, therefore I am". In the same way one cannot think about it and deny thought exists, one cannot use language and deny language exists, at least at first glance. But let me suggest the following.

You claim language exists. So be it. What is it and why is it objectively real? For instance, it is well known that the sounds to convey language do not entail the experience of language any more than the wavelengths of a stream of photons entail the experience of sight. Red is not a property of an apple, it is a construction of a mind, and likewise, words are not properties of sound, but are also constructions of the mind. When speech recognition in natural language processing began, the first problem was determining how sound could be segmented into words because words are not physical properties of sound at all.

Now, your argument, like Descartes's shift to the question, does the mind exist? Unlike an apple, which a strong argument exists from empirical lines of thinking, that it has physical properties, that others can agree in a blind study on those properties, that the apple can be measured by instrumentation independent of human observation, the existence of thoughts and language becomes more difficult.

What is a mind? Can anyone witness another mind? Is there physical evidence of minds, and how do the constituents of minds, whatever they might be, relate to the physical world? How does one even define mind begin with? Here, the questions about "mental phenomena" become far less certain. Cognitive science, of course, has amassed an empirical framework to deal with these challenges which I would argue is rather persuasive to declare a mind exists, and that minds and languages are related. But it begs the question why we should be allowed to use the verb 'to exist' with things we cannot directly measure, see, experience with our senses directly; language is no more physical than redness.

This dispute over the language rules that governs the use of the phrase 'language exists' therefore is a complicated matter because it requires an adequate definition of language and existence, and neither of those tasks are straightforward. My personal belief is that "irrefutable" is tough to apply to any argument, because it implies there is some undeniable truth that is not subject to revision or question, and it's hard to see how that can apply to any claim. Consider the simple argument that we are actually nothing more than simulations of people in a quantum computer in an actual physical universe. If we are a simulation, then not only does it seem language is not real, but it begs the question is our simulated physical universe even real? That's enough doubt to make your claim refutable.

For more explanation on how the property 'irrefutable' itself might not exist, see the IEP's article on fallibilism.

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One cannot "refute" the statement even if there is a refutation, since if one acknowledges there is a "refutation" they acknowledge their understanding of the word "refutation" which is a word defined in the English language itself otherwise, hence implying the statement themselves.

I'm French and I was able to think about refutations to the statement without thinking the English word "refutation". I thought about this after reading the first paragraph but before reading the second paragraph, so that I really did not think at all about the word "refutation". So it seems the premise that the statement cannot be refuted without using the word "refutation" is flawed.

If one acknowledges they "doubt" the statement in some way, they have communicated that fact (through thought or externally), implying the knowledge of "doubt" which is part of a language as a word.

I was able to doubt the statement simply by frowning and shaking my head. I frowned and shook my head after reading the first two sentences, but before reading the third sentence, so that I really did not think at all about the word "doubt", in English or in French, while I was acknowledging my doubt by frowning and shaking my head. So it seems that the knowledge of word "doubt" and its part of language is not necessary to acknowledge doubt itself.

As a conclusion:

There are facts, and then there is description of these facts using language. Whether language exists or doesn't exists is a fact; "Language doesn't exist" is a sentence; if it is true that language doesn't exist, then sentence "Language doesn't exist" probably doesn't exist either, but just because the sentence "Language doesn't exist" doesn't exist, doesn't mean that language does exist.

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  • Nice. Very lawyerly.
    – J D
    Commented Jan 15 at 7:45
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Oh... I can refute it!

First... you have to define language, which you did not. Is language written, spoken, telepathy, or some other sensory protocol? If you have two cultures that have no sensory interfaces, then your argument fails.

I refute your conjecture because communication via language with two cultures that have no sensory interface fails.

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