Timeline for What sorts of beliefs can be justified non-scientifically?
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| May 27 at 10:10 | comment | added | TKoL | @Speakpigeon I have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about. Schizophrenics who talk to their parents about what experiences are real and which ones are hallucinations have parents who reply back to them when they talk. I have no idea why you're bringing up people who don't say anything - obviously you can't find out what someone thinks who doesn't express their thoughts, that's a given and doesn't really matter much. | |
| May 27 at 9:59 | comment | added | Speakpigeon | @TKol Don't be silly, you can talk to people as long as you wish, but if they don't say anything you won't be able to infer what they think. | |
| May 26 at 22:33 | comment | added | TKoL | @Speakpigeon I don't know any psychics, so if you want to know what other people think, it kind of has to be sufficient | |
| May 26 at 16:06 | comment | added | Speakpigeon | @TKol Because just "talking to people" is clearly not sufficient. | |
| May 25 at 16:53 | comment | added | TKoL | @Speakpigeon why would you say that? | |
| May 25 at 16:04 | comment | added | Speakpigeon | @TKol "By talking to them about what they think" Surely you can do better than that? | |
| May 24 at 16:30 | comment | added | TKoL | By talking to them about what they think... | |
| May 24 at 16:27 | comment | added | Speakpigeon | @TKol "usually by conferring with other people" And how exactly does anyone realise what other people think. | |
| May 24 at 16:23 | comment | added | TKoL | @Speakpigeon usually by conferring with other people - good epistemology doesn't happen on your own. There's a reason science involves peer review and repeatability after all! | |
| May 24 at 16:22 | comment | added | Speakpigeon | @TKol "most, people who suffer from these kinds of things USUALLY have some means of figuring out that they're not perceiving reality as it is." How exactly does someone realise that an hallucination is an hallucination and not the real world? | |
| May 23 at 20:41 | comment | added | JMac | @TKoL That's what I was trying to cover with the part in brackets. But if they truly "believe whatever is consistent with [their] personal perception of the world" then it would fall under that category. But it does need to be consistent. Like let's say you or I are actually hallucinating this conversation, from my perspective it's still entirely reasonable for me to respond to you. Everything is consistent with this being a real text conversation I'm taking part in, but if I'm hallucinating this, I have no way to tell in my current state because it is self-consistent. | |
| May 23 at 18:08 | comment | added | TKoL | @JMac many, maybe most, people who suffer from these kinds of things USUALLY have some means of figuring out that they're not perceiving reality as it is. Thus, it actually seems relatively common for such people to have a BETTER idea of justification than just saying "believe whatever is consistent with my personal experience". It seems to me that we can do at least a little better than that philosophy | |
| May 23 at 17:10 | comment | added | JMac | @TKoL That raises some interesting questions, and possibly depends on what you mean by justified. Personally I would say it is reasonable for that person to hold their beliefs (assuming their beliefs correspond to the altered reality they experience), and in that way they are justified. The problem is obviously that it leads to situations where you can "justify" things which are not correct, which maybe isnt a problem if your definition of justification doesn require correctness. | |
| May 23 at 16:36 | comment | added | TKoL | "everybody would probably agree that it is justified to believe whatever is consistent with our personal perception of the world." - how does this statement interact with hallucinations and mental illnesses which compromise a person's sense of reality? | |
| May 23 at 16:31 | history | answered | Speakpigeon | CC BY-SA 4.0 |