Timeline for What about the community is "toxic" to new users?
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| Mar 11 at 8:06 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Introducing a social score is not a solution to toxicity. Oof! | |
| Nov 27, 2023 at 8:56 | history | edited | TinkeringbellMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Removed the chitchat about the voting on this answer. It does nothing to answer the question. See https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/behavior for more info.
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| Nov 25, 2023 at 12:53 | history | edited | MikeSchinkel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Prior edits UPDATE made the intro make no sense in context as the update vs original posts were not written to work as one answer, so I fixed that.
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| Nov 25, 2023 at 12:47 | history | edited | MikeSchinkel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Prior edits UPDATE made the intro make no sense in context as the update vs original posts were not written to work as one answer, so I fixed that.
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| Nov 24, 2023 at 16:06 | comment | added | This_is_NOT_a_forum | From another comment: "Downvoting without explaining is toxic" and "Commenting where you can't be downvoted is toxic". | |
| Nov 24, 2023 at 15:22 | comment | added | This_is_NOT_a_forum | Staging Ground was an attempt to address some of it (e.g., separating the initial version, refinement/iteration, comments, search for duplicates, publication, voting (up, down, close, and delete), and incoming answers in time (not happening all at (almost) the same time)), but ironically it was put on hold indefinitely due to the AI craze. | |
| Nov 24, 2023 at 15:06 | history | edited | This_is_NOT_a_forum | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
(While we are at it - this is a ***new*** answer.) [<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChatGPT> <https://stackoverflow.design/brand/copywriting/naming/>].
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| Nov 24, 2023 at 11:04 | history | edited | Karl Knechtel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
rm personal attack and unproductive whining
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| Nov 24, 2023 at 10:19 | history | edited | MikeSchinkel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Added an update
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| Nov 24, 2023 at 10:12 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | "I did not call anyone a jerk, I said if people acted like jerks they would get downvoted." - you proposed that certain behaviours would be justification for describing others as "jerks", and you were wrong to do so. That said, under your proposed scheme, the "jerks" would not "get downvoted", because users do not get downvoted on Stack Exchange sites - questions and answers do. | |
| Nov 24, 2023 at 10:08 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | "End of the day, SE is a business" - yes; and this is to the detriment of a large, existing community, which has a clear, long-standing, noble purpose, which the company's actions directly interfere with. The short version is that each Stack Exchange site is not a discussion forum, and is explicitly designed not to be. Hordes of newcomers are coming in with the expectation of a discussion forum and an apparent sense of entitlement to a discussion forum. Not every site must be a discussion forum simply because it supports user-generated content. See, for example, Wikipedia. | |
| Nov 24, 2023 at 10:08 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | "The problem exists because it is the top mentioned concern in the poll." If I say there's an eggplant in my refrigerator, that does not cause it to materialize. "And saying people "cannot dictate social norms" is excellent evidence the problem does in fact exist." No, it isn't, because it isn't a problem to say such a thing, because it is a correct and true thing to say, and people who object to it are in the wrong for objecting to it. With this answer, you are proposing to impose social norms upon other people who reject them, and who are well within their rights to do so. | |
| Nov 24, 2023 at 10:02 | comment | added | MikeSchinkel | @KarlKnechtel — The problem exists because it is the top mentioned concern in the poll. And saying people "cannot dictate social norms" is excellent evidence the problem does in fact exist. You are of course free to have any opinions you want, but your opinions do not make you correct, only objective data does. End of the day, SE is a business and having a reputation for toxicity harms their business. BTW, I did not call anyone a jerk, I said if people acted like jerks they would get downvoted. Your taking issue with that comes across as your self-identifying as such. 🤷♂️ | |
| Nov 24, 2023 at 9:20 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | It is objectively incorrect to expect people not to be confrontational, because there are huge numbers of people who come in and do things that are objectively wrong per site policy. Newcomers to an existing community do not get to dictate social norms. I cannot "deny that the problem exists", because it doesn't - just as I cannot "deny" that the sky is yellow at midday. Describing people as "jerks" because they are blunt or matter-of-fact is at best not helpful, at worst insensitive to neurodiversity. | |
| Nov 24, 2023 at 3:29 | comment | added | philipxy | 3. People shoot the messenger. | |
| Nov 24, 2023 at 3:14 | history | answered | MikeSchinkel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |