Timeline for Help us identify new roles for community members
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| Dec 15, 2022 at 14:35 | comment | added | TylerH | @Clonkex "I'm arguing for quick permanent notes on answers" OK, you're asking for something other than comments, then. That's not what comments are or should be. Please stop trying to use them as that. | |
| Dec 15, 2022 at 11:43 | comment | added | Clonkex | @TylerH As for trolling, I didn't mean it in the intentional sense, more in the sense of being unintentionally trolled by an out-of-date or straight-up incorrect answer. And again, comments as discussion usually aren't useful except to those involved, but I'm not arguing for that. I'm arguing for quick permanent notes left on answers. This happens all the time and it's a good thing. An FYI here, an "I tried this but found this other answer worked better for me on this version" there. Without these types of comments, the site would be immediately less useful and more tedious. | |
| Dec 15, 2022 at 11:33 | comment | added | Clonkex | @TylerH Users with < 2k rep covers the vast majority of users. It took me literal years to get more than 2k rep on SO. The simple fact is, comments are necessary, whether they should be or not. Trying to brute-force people into using the site the "correct" way isn't a good idea. Rather, the site should adapt to what people actually need. Comments aren't for discussion, but neither do they have to be ethereal. My argument is that (good) comments are nearly as important as the answers themselves and shouldn't be considered transient. There's just no reason for it. This isn't a pure wiki. | |
| Dec 15, 2022 at 1:19 | comment | added | Mentalist | My experience has been similar to that of @GavinS.Yancey - I have tried to find useful-looking threads that were moved to chat, only to find the thread had been deleted. Plus, even if the thread is still there, most people won't click a link to it without knowing what the conversation is about. Like "oh, some people had a discussion about this - anything relevant to me?" It doesn't entice one to leave the current page and explore that wildcard. Whereas with comments we can immediately read what is being discussed. I've personally never had a positive experience with chat. | |
| Dec 14, 2022 at 21:31 | comment | added | TylerH | @Clonkex Only users with less than 2k reputation have to send their content to a suggested edit queue. As for the other argument, laziness isn't really an effective one there. Treat the system the way it is designed if you want the system to succeed, not the way that enables you to put in the least amount of effort. | |
| Dec 14, 2022 at 21:30 | comment | added | TylerH | @Clonkex if the information is that important, it almost always belongs in the answer itself. If someone is trolling you, that's a violation of the rules and just as easily flagged regardless of where the comment is. Comments are intended to be transient post-it notes, you should not be trying to experience them as first-class citizens on Q&A threads. Also, I don't think the site would really be affected that much if comments disappeared from non-Meta Q&A... Stack Exchange sites are for Q&A, not discussion. That's... a critical part of the site ethos and is mentioned in the tour. | |
| Dec 14, 2022 at 21:22 | comment | added | Clonkex | @TylerH Could not disagree more with tabbed view. Comments are a high-visibility way to point out issues with a post or add tangential information. People (including me) would constantly get trolled if comments weren't immediately visible. My experience has been that comments are absolutely necessary to the function of the site. You might argue that the answer should be edited instead, but I say a) even more stuff in queues? and b) it's far quicker and easier to just leave a comment rather than try to work something into the answer. I frequently rely on the information in upvoted comments. | |
| Dec 14, 2022 at 14:41 | comment | added | TylerH | CC @Mentalist -- absolutely zero negatives to moving comments to chat. Not only do the comments currently stay in place anyway, but you also can continue the conversation more fluidly in chat than you can in the comment section, and there's less risk of your discussion getting deleted. | |
| Dec 14, 2022 at 14:33 | comment | added | TylerH | @Clonkex Let users create a chat room around posts whenever they want (only one chatroom, naturally), without a long discussion between two people first. Delete comments that are migrated to chat instead of just copying them. Create a tabbed view of posts so comments are hidden in the first place. Allow for threaded comments and multi-user pinging. Increase the comment edit duration. Allow users to add specific users to ignore lists for comments. There are lots of opportunities to improve the commenting experience. | |
| Dec 14, 2022 at 14:23 | comment | added | TylerH | @EM0 I cannot think of any scenario where moving comments to chat makes the site less useful. | |
| Dec 13, 2022 at 18:03 | comment | added | Ethan | @EM0 If someone was trigger happy they should not be granted comment mod and if they are not then become it when they are comment mod it should be revoked | |
| Dec 13, 2022 at 14:44 | comment | added | EM0 | -1 This is not necessary and will only give trigger-happy semi-mods more power to make the site less useful, especially the power to move comments to chat, as @Mentalist said, just like the power to cast close votes is way over-used - to the detriment of the site IMO. If a comment hasn't received 3 flags it's most likely not bad enough or the post is not visible enough for it to matter that much. | |
| Dec 7, 2022 at 22:01 | comment | added | Clonkex | @ColleenV Care to elaborate? What kind of "fixes" have you in mind? | |
| Dec 7, 2022 at 13:57 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | @GavinS.Yancey Oh. :( But that doesn't seem to be always the case: here's a comment chat from a few years ago: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/573618/… | |
| Dec 6, 2022 at 15:43 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | I agree with this. Honestly, I don't know why high-rep users don't already have the ability to moderate this; past a certain reputation, you presumably know what content should (or shouldn't) be included in comments. The only edge case I can think of is a case where an argument or abusive comments get so out of hand that it merits suspension. In cases like this, there should be a clear way to escalate to the moderators. | |
| Dec 5, 2022 at 12:51 | comment | added | David Thomas | A suggestion I posted some time ago, over on Meta SO in the same vein: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/278927/… | |
| Dec 4, 2022 at 10:41 | comment | added | Braiam | @Ethan still, the expression should be backed by actual data, because expressions can be wrong too. | |
| Dec 4, 2022 at 10:40 | comment | added | Braiam | @GavinS.Yancey comments moved to chat are deleted the same moment they are moved to chat. Also, anything helpful should be edited in the answer or the question, not left on comments, as they can be deleted for any reason, including no reason. | |
| Dec 2, 2022 at 21:05 | comment | added | Gavin S. Yancey | Comments that are moved to chat are automatically deleted after not very long -- I can't count the amount of times I've wanted to see where a helpful-looking comment thread went only to see that the "moved to chat" comments link to a chatroom that has been automatically deleted. It's not just putting it a click away, but also deleting it for future users (IIRC 90 days later or so). | |
| Dec 2, 2022 at 18:36 | comment | added | Ethan | @Braiam It was meant to be more of an expression than actual data. | |
| Dec 2, 2022 at 18:31 | comment | added | Braiam | "Currently 99.9% of comment moderation is done by mods (the other 0.1% is autodeletion by enough user flags)" I would like to see more data about this. AFAIK, most flagged comments are auto-deleted comments. | |
| Dec 2, 2022 at 13:56 | comment | added | somebody | @PM2Ring in addition to bergi's point, the main disadvantage of moving the comment thread to chat is that people really aren't motivated to click any such links - after all, there's already more than enough information on the page itself | |
| Dec 1, 2022 at 22:07 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | @Bergi Fair point, and I don't know how to encourage people to participate in chat (both comment chats or the regular site chat rooms). And IIRC there are problems with notifying people who haven't posted directly in the chat. | |
| Dec 1, 2022 at 20:44 | comment | added | Bergi | @PM2Ring I have participated in so many comment threads where the last message was "Let's move this discussion to chat", and then there was zero activity in the chat. | |
| S Dec 1, 2022 at 16:45 | history | suggested | Lakshya Raj | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Nov 30, 2022 at 23:54 | comment | added | starball | Related (well-received) feature request from 2012: "Make comment flagging work more like chat flagging, available to users with 10k reputation". Others by Pekka in 2013: "Make community comment moderation a more public process" and "Create "flagged comments" review queue". | |
| Nov 30, 2022 at 21:02 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | I disagree, @Mentalist. It only takes one more click to view the comment chat. I find "Show N more comments" far more annoying because it's not visible until you get towards the end of a long comments thread. Chat allows you to have threaded replies, post images, post one-boxed links to other questions, answers, Wikipedia articles, etc. Unfortunately, the "Move to Chat" function can't be used to move subsequent comments to the chat, so mods often simply delete those comments. But I suppose this comment thread isn't the place to debate those topic. | |
| Nov 30, 2022 at 15:57 | comment | added | Peter Turner | Almost all I ever do is delete comments that are flagged, why don't we just let the bots do this? Losing comments is never a big deal - having the system treat them as more transitory seems better to me than making someone responsible for it; they would get blamed for censorship a lot. | |
| Nov 30, 2022 at 14:38 | history | edited | Ethan | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Nov 30, 2022 at 10:57 | comment | added | Mentalist | @PM2Ring Please, no. Move comments to chat is one of the most counter-productive features of SE. As soon as a topic proves engaging enough that numerous people begin to chime in and share ideas - the thread gets relegated to a place where nobody will ever see it. It would be better to just have the comments get collapsed if space is an issue. | |
| Nov 30, 2022 at 8:20 | comment | added | Joachim | Should this also include the power to simply edit comments (which very often contain typos and miss proper punctuation and can drastically lower the perceived quality of a thread IMHO)? | |
| Nov 29, 2022 at 19:11 | history | edited | blackgreen | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Nov 29, 2022 at 16:38 | comment | added | ColleenV | Or, we could just fix the broken comment system so it doesn't require so much intervention. | |
| Nov 29, 2022 at 14:24 | comment | added | Meta Andrew T. | Not gonna lie, this is one reason why I wanted to be a mod. On the other hand, there are also some comment moderation tools, such as: delete comment, undelete comment, move to chat, see deleted comments on a post, see comment's edit history, see users' deleted & flagged comments, etc. I wonder what's the scope of this role. | |
| Nov 29, 2022 at 9:29 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | Sounds plausible. I think the comment mods should also have the "move comments to chat" power. | |
| S Nov 29, 2022 at 3:09 | history | suggested | Lakshya Raj | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Improve spelling.
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| Nov 29, 2022 at 2:55 | history | answered | Ethan | CC BY-SA 4.0 |