Timeline for Why is "The Loop" survey asking about race, age, and gender?
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| Dec 24, 2019 at 15:46 | history | edited | manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Dec 24, 2019 at 10:25 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek | Might be worth revealing affiliation with that link. I'm pretty sure that the general "disclosure" rules counts here too. | |
| Dec 4, 2019 at 6:21 | comment | added | manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact | @jwenting Wow! That still doesn't apply to StackExchange/StackOverflow because that is employment and we are talking here about internet users. But still "Wow!" | |
| Dec 4, 2019 at 6:00 | comment | added | jwenting | @manassehkatz-ReinstateMonica my dad's company was sued by the Dutch government back in the 1990s for not employing enough blacks as vetinerarians. The only way they could afford heavy fines was providing graduation records to prove that it was in fact impossible for them to meet the required numbers because there simply didn't exist enough people with the necessary degrees in the entire country. | |
| Dec 4, 2019 at 4:58 | comment | added | manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact | @jwenting Really? There is tremendous pressure in various ways. But actual legal quotas? Name a jurisdiction - point me to the actual law. Plus, we are NOT talking about employment or academic enrollment. We are talking about random users on the internet. | |
| Dec 4, 2019 at 4:45 | comment | added | jwenting | @einpoklum-reinstateMonica they care. They care because in ever more jurisdictions there are legal requirements to have at least X% homosexuals, Y% blacks, and Z% women at any level in the organisation, even if no suitable candidates can be found... | |
| Nov 27, 2019 at 16:41 | comment | added | manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact | @Fermiparadox Typically (again, will vary by specific structure), the Board answers to the shareholders (in a number of ways which vary based on corporate structure/bylaws/etc.). Board typically only hires/fires CEO and perhaps a few other very top employees (COO, CIO, CFO, etc.). Everyone else is hired/fired by the paid management (CEO/COO/CIO/CFO for the next level and the next level for the one below that, etc. hierarchically). | |
| Nov 27, 2019 at 16:26 | comment | added | manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact | @Fermiparadox To me, "Corporate" is "CEO+employees at the top" in any company - i.e., if shareholders/Board want to change something, they can say all they want but it comes down to CEO+employees to actually do stuff (for better or worse). | |
| Nov 27, 2019 at 16:07 | history | edited | user102937 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Nov 27, 2019 at 2:11 | comment | added | Matt Gutting | SO has been that kind of environment. SE is more varied - although these demographic considerations still aren't relevant to most of the sites, they can be to some. | |
| Nov 27, 2019 at 2:03 | history | edited | This_is_NOT_a_forum | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Nov 26, 2019 at 15:52 | comment | added | manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact | @RebeccaJ.Stones In other words, you can be "polite" without being PC and you can be PC with a veneer of "polite" but elitist and/or racist and/or "bad intentions" underneath. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 15:49 | comment | added | manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact | @RebeccaJ.Stones There are 3 different "attitudes" involved: * politeness (~= Be Nice), * sexist/racist/etc. - it is possible to be "polite" yet say extremely inappropriate things, and we definitely don't want that, * political correctness - for lack of a better explanation, I'll define that here as using/not using particular language to advance or emphasize certain goals with the implication that not using the same language automatically makes you a "bad" type of person. I know it is far more complex, but that is one of the key issues, IMHO. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 10:28 | comment | added | Rebecca J. Stones | I don't think we can simply ignore political correctness (aka politeness) if we want to attract experts. I certainly would be unwilling to have my name tarnished by publicly participating on a site that's soft on sexism, racism, etc. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 9:41 | comment | added | user56reinstatemonica8 | It seems really bizarre to segment by race without considering nationality. Do they honestly think that a born-and-bred New Yorker will have more in common with a Vietnamese user in Hanoi than they do with the born-and-bred New Yorker they sit next to and go for lunch with every day, simply because the one New Yorker's family are Korean-American and the other's are Honduran-American? It honestly seems borderline racist, and I don't use that word lightly. Or maybe they forgot that not all users are American (again)? | |
| Nov 25, 2019 at 23:26 | comment | added | einpoklum | They may not even actually care about any of that. It's just politically fashionable to focus on that - especially as a distraction from substantive discussion. | |
| Nov 25, 2019 at 23:02 | history | edited | manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Nov 25, 2019 at 22:55 | history | answered | manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact | CC BY-SA 4.0 |