Timeline for An apology to our community, and next steps
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| Oct 16, 2019 at 16:45 | comment | added | AgapwIesu | And you are right about the word picture. Bad choice. | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 16:44 | comment | added | AgapwIesu | About your answer not just dealing with this specific incident. I did get that, from my first, and second readings, and other partial readings. But this "question" is about a specific instance, and that is part of the problem with your answer, you are going off to a broader topic. While related, the broader topic brings in so many other factors and changes their relevance to such a degree that it dilutes what's going on here. If your answer was a separate post of its own, I'd upvote it in a jiffy, because you are right, generally, everyone needs to take a step back. But in this case... | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 7:37 | comment | added | SPArcheon - on strike | @AgapwIesu also, as a side notice, next time could you please use an example that does not involve beating spouses? The current one isn't making me feel very comfortable... | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 7:28 | comment | added | SPArcheon - on strike | @AgapwIesu I would advise you re-read the answer if you didn't already. I am not writing just about this single incident. Over the course of the last year we had a lot of similar issue (which is also the central point of my answer here) and every time it ended in the same way. Some time the staff used passive-agressive words. Some time the community overreacted and showered them in insults. I stand my point - unless both sides stop hurling insults at each others and start talking we are not going anywhere. | |
| Oct 15, 2019 at 17:04 | comment | added | AgapwIesu | I downvoted this for a very good reason... a word picture to illustrate... In a marriage, one spouse hits the other with a baseball bat, hard. The one that was hit starts demanding the other own up to it and undo the damage as much as possible. The one that hit makes apologies but takes no real action. You do not go to them and say "I am asking you. All of you. [spouse 1 and spouse 2] alike. Stop." After reading this answer, in its totality, to me, that sentence seems to sum it up best, and I find it is not an appropriate answer to what has happened. | |
| Oct 14, 2019 at 7:37 | comment | added | SPArcheon - on strike | @Brilliand I didn't had that type of disagreement in mind. What I wanted to avoid were scenarios where an employee says "we are doing this because A" or "we are doing A" and a few hours later some other employee posts a different, contradicting version of the story (like "we will never do A and are doing B instead"). Since this already caused a lot of anger in the past, with many members of the community reacting to this like they where purposely lied to... you will probably agree that is not the best option to stop all the Meta fighting we get. | |
| Oct 12, 2019 at 18:01 | comment | added | Brilliand | Contrary to "be sure everyone is aligned on your replies"... I think it would solve a lot of problems if the staff would argue with each other in public rather than private. That would allow the community to be directly involved in the decision-making process, and that's the whole point isn't it? | |
| Oct 10, 2019 at 8:02 | comment | added | SPArcheon - on strike | @gerrit that is an option, but as Script47 already said it would just work to "protect" the employees who are getting insults (and sometime even personal threats) for the posts they have to make. It wouldn't probably do much for cases that have one employee post a reply and another one posting another, conflicting reply soon after. | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 17:54 | comment | added | Script47 | @gerrit I think that has been discussed previously but ultimately it wouldn't change anything really. The issue here is lack of communication (and when communication is done it's done terribly) not who's communicating it. | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 17:06 | comment | added | gerrit | Lately whenever an employee talks I don't know if they are talking for themselves or if their messages have actually been agreed upon before posting — maybe SE should consider posting from a pseudonymous group-managed "community team" account? | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 16:02 | comment | added | Script47 | 'Neither side is willing or able to break the cycle.' - @Magisch, if users break the cycle it means not caring about any changes made to the system and not posting regarding them. If SE breaks the cycle, it means acknowledging their most dedicated users and at the very least, hearing their opinions. | |
| S Oct 9, 2019 at 12:28 | history | suggested | Suraj Rao | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 9, 2019 at 12:19 | history | edited | SPArcheon - on strike | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 9, 2019 at 11:08 | comment | added | SPArcheon - on strike | Oh, I know, @Magisch, it is a tantrum spiral by now. Hence the need to break the Groundhog Day loop. | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 11:01 | comment | added | Magisch | It's a self reinforcing feedback loop. Users feel like they aren't consulted anymore and that staff doesn't care, so they lash out. Staff feels the pain of getting a thousand pings with 500 differently worded comments on how they're wrong, and thus stop participating entirely except where absolutely necessary. Neither side is willing or able to break the cycle. | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 10:35 | comment | added | SPArcheon - on strike | @rene as I said: "And based on some messages I saw in the past I am not even sure.". I assume that you too have seen the not-so-nice words that have been exchanged back and fort in the past. I wouldn't focus on the number of votes: that is just a way to know how "passionate" the feedback was.... but we don't get only votes - we get actual name-calling and insults. | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 10:28 | comment | added | rene | the only thing missing are the stadium hooligans chanting ... are they missing? Aren't those the voters? Or even the sub-reddits and other fora that host users that are more knowledgeable like we are? What does -1000 mean? Or +500 if only 50 users expressed their feelings? | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 10:03 | history | answered | SPArcheon - on strike | CC BY-SA 4.0 |