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    "without having to go through any process." That's not very likely. They didn't de-mod Monica for no reason at all (Not that I know the reason, but still), and there are likely to be some conditions in case either party is interested in reinstatement.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Oct 6, 2019 at 22:09
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    Your thoughts seem are similar to mine after reading this latest version: This is much better – but I'll believe when I see a diamond after Monica's name. If she was demodded prematurely, she can be remodded prematurely. Commented Oct 6, 2019 at 23:20
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    @Cerbrus: The reason Monica was demodded was, to put it briefly, someone deliberately acting in the worst possible faith. Monica did nothing wrong at all; the only wrongdoing was on the part of at least one, and likely several, staffmembers. Monica deserves her diamond back - on every site where she was robbed of it. Please, staff - at the very, very least, give her that back. She deserves it.
    – Vikki
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 1:34
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    @Cerbrus, Without presenting evidence of Monica's alleged wrongdoings, if only to her fellow mods, such as myself, there is nothing to suggest that the accusations made against her are anything but a Big Lie (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie).
    – Monty Wild
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 4:46
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    MontyWild / @Sean: We don't know exactly what happened. We might never know. I don't think it's likely they're reinstate her "just like that".
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 5:20
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    Aren't you forgetting something, like, facts maybe? We don't have them. As hard as it is to imagine, Monica may have deserved it.
    – user212646
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 6:26
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    @Sean The reason Monica was demodded wasn't a good one, but that doesn't mean it was entirely undeserved. Monica did, albeit unintentionally, violate the CoC and hurt people. It shouldn't have got to that point, because SO should've asked her not to much earlier, but it is what it is.
    – wizzwizz4
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 6:42
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    @wizzwizz4: did we know for a FACT she broke the current CoC? Or even worse, are we talking about the future CoC?
    – mike3996
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 7:56
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    @Cerbrus The correct process is to go through the de-modding process. If that process decides that she should have her mod status revoked, then--and only then--should she no longer be a mod. The reinstatement process is fundamentally different than the removal process. The former involves Monica apologizing the latter involves confirming she did anything wrong. Who apologizes for something they didn't do? Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 14:35
  • @Draco18s: I'm not taking a side here. Just stating that it's very unlikely that there aren't some steps to be taken from both sides if/before Monical will be / wants to be reinstated.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 14:36
  • @souser12345 What she wrote was upsetting. It (obviously; it's Monica) wasn't written in order to hurt people, but the combination of her status (the (earned) respect others gave her) and the way she argued her (purely grammatical – and I know people use this as an excuse, but Occam's Razor is on her side on this one) stance served to hurt people a lot. To continue to argue the way she did wasn't Nice (and it wasn't just her… but that's another issue entirely). I'm not really able to say much more, because I don't want to reveal anything non-public without the consent of all parties.
    – wizzwizz4
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 16:49
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    @wizzwizz4 So what? Almost everything that you say and is worth the effort of saying is going to upset and hurt somebody. Perhaps the nicest thing we can do is stop talking to each other. As an alternative to people we can talk to Google. Unlike people, which is prone to cause us harm, Google can be trained to show us only what we want to see. Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 21:08
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    @Goyo I never said it wasn't important, or significant. I said it wasn't worth saying. As an extreme example: no matter how significant a breakthrough it is, it's not worth saying your half-a-decade-in-the-making theory of evolutionary gene propagation to a group of Young Earth Creationists.
    – wizzwizz4
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 23:30
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    You may be ignoring the fact that the main reason for ghosting, firing, and libeling Monica was to silence her while the new CoC is rushed into effect. The owners will not allow Monica to appear in TL until all CoC debate has closed, Commented Oct 8, 2019 at 13:27
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    @wizzwizz4 I've still not heard why this was so urgent; have you? It'd been nine days since I'd spoken in TL and four days since my last email (I was awaiting a reply), and I was otherwise going about my business on the network as normal. Nobody mentioned a deadline to me, and employees neither said "this thing here is a CoC violation" nor warned me they considered my actions to be diamond-threatening. (I even asked Sara about that on that day -- no answer. I thought the strongest possible outcome was that I should leave TL, which I did on my own.) Feel free to contact me privately! Commented Oct 11, 2019 at 1:41