Timeline for What privilege should 30k users get?
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| Nov 30, 2022 at 23:50 | comment | added | starball | Related (well-received) feature request from 2012: "Make comment flagging work more like chat flagging, available to users with 10k reputation". Others by Pekka in 2013: "Make community comment moderation a more public process" and "Create "flagged comments" review queue". | |
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| Jan 29, 2019 at 22:59 | comment | added | Picachieu | The one problem I see with this is that users can instantly delete an answer by converting it to a comment and then deleting that. Maybe if they can just vote to convert an answer to a comment, that would be better. | |
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| Dec 26, 2016 at 2:47 | comment | added | tar | 30,000 isn't very numerically significant compared to 32,768 | |
| Jul 29, 2016 at 12:44 | comment | added | auden | For those who like this suggestion: see this meta post. | |
| Jan 25, 2016 at 22:45 | comment | added | Fabby | There! 15% of my total rep over to you. At the next meeting, ask your fellow colleagues how many bounties they got awarded for their feature requests! :P ;-) | |
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| Jan 22, 2016 at 10:10 | comment | added | Fabby | How about this one for 50K users (in the worst case: #4 all by itself) and another one at 75 K? That would allow even more gamification and finally: advertise that at 100K you get a T-shirt and a mug??? Then you would actually have a roadmap to 100K! ;-) | |
| Jan 22, 2016 at 0:58 | comment | added | Jon Ericson | @Fabby: Yes, there is a chance for some 30k and above privileges. But probably not this one, unfortunately. This is a controversial idea internally that we are unlikely to get agreement on. I do plan on going through the existing suggestions and proposing one (or a small group) for implementation, but there's no timetable for that. | |
| Jan 21, 2016 at 22:35 | comment | added | Fabby | I'm actually giving away all my rep above 25K because the next level (100K) is too far away! Any chance higher then a snowflake in hell this is ever going to be implemented? Please? Pretty please??? ;-) | |
| Dec 15, 2015 at 4:54 | comment | added | Martin - マーチン | As a mod I'd really like to get help with comment moderation and when it only cuts out the chatty and obsolete ones, that would be fine. I like the idea of a review queue about that. I also think it should be capped how many of those reviews can be done. Editing comments is not a good idea - sometimes I think we mods should not be able to do that, especially when we don't see who edited what and when. | |
| Jun 17, 2015 at 14:29 | comment | added | Ian Ringrose | I would rather a comment flag queue be unlocked once someone has done xxxx useful comment flags, with less then yy bad comment flags. | |
| Apr 17, 2015 at 13:56 | comment | added | user1228 | @JoeZ. look, you may be anti-drama, but I need something to read while I eat popcorn. Don't poop on my popcorn, bro. | |
| Apr 17, 2015 at 0:05 | comment | added | Joe Z. | @Won't That juicy drama would be one primary reason I wouldn't want deleted comments to be shown to anyone. | |
| Apr 6, 2015 at 17:55 | comment | added | user1228 | I'll take "see deleted comments"; anything more is gravy. It's kinda handy to have when you participate in Metas, you might also see something that should be brought to mods attentions, and ... well, damnit, there's often so much juicy drama in deleted comments. Its so hard to find good stuff to read while eating popcorn... | |
| Apr 6, 2015 at 14:47 | comment | added | Travis J | After considering this for a few days, I like the viewing parts more than the moderation parts. I think it would be nice to be able to view deleted comments and see comment edit history (this would be a strong motivator alone in my opinion). The unilateral deletion and purging is still hard to get behind, but perhaps with oversight in the form of voting (re: answer deletion votes) it could also be useful. | |
| Apr 6, 2015 at 1:57 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | Editing comments is one of the sneakiest things you can do on the site, because there's no accountability and no notification. It's good that only moderators can do that -- and I've seen even that cause problems, so I sure don't want to increase the number of people who can do that. I also don't think we want non-mods to be able to undelete comments. You once argued that comments are kipple and people shouldn't get attached to them; bringing them back from the dead by anything other than mod action seems inconsistent with that. | |
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| Apr 5, 2015 at 23:38 | comment | added | ɥʇǝS | I really like the idea of making comment moderation better. I do not like the idea of making it an (essential) free for all. All of this was said with Stack Overflow in mind. I readily admit it might be ok on smaller sites, but I still do not like the implications. We're giving a random group of people practically full control over comments (even more power than moderators currently have). | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 23:33 | comment | added | ɥʇǝS | I know that's what your end goal is here but I do not believe that is what will happen. Allowing anyone to edit a comment is also a bad idea. We just said comments aren't supposed to have a lot of weight and now we're allowing users to edit them whenever? For what reason? This would also require implementing comment revision history and that would require moderation to prevent abuse.. wait, I thought the whole idea was to spend less time moderating comments? I can see so much abuse coming from this and, as a result, so much more moderation time it's not even funny. | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 23:33 | comment | added | ɥʇǝS | I apologize if I'm repeating stuff here but I don't really have time to read all these comments. I would love a better comment moderation system and I really like what shog outlined here but I think a lot of the ideas outlined in this post are really bad. I can only imagine the chaos that would ensue if users could unilaterally delete or undelete comments. I certainly don't want to be here when that happens. It's been said many many times that comments are supposed to be ephemeral and require little moderation. | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 22:15 | comment | added | user213963 | @Roombatron5000 we (anyone) can already delete comments via flags. What is lacking is the ability/visibility for people to cast pile on flags that allows the community to handle it (like spam flags do on posts) without needing to involve mods. | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 10:25 | comment | added | Wrzlprmft | @JonEricson: Why are you posting the next-action statistics here and not in your question? | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 6:15 | comment | added | pacoverflow | @TravisJ So maybe instead of a unilateral delete, there should be a voting system for comment deletes like there is for trusted users deleting questions and answers. | |
| Apr 4, 2015 at 16:13 | comment | added | Shog9 | I think there's a nugget of something useful here, but I don't see it as being very effective at handling flags - rather, there's some decent potential here for letting high-rep users anticipate problems and avoid situations where flags are necessary at all by shunting unproductive conversations into chat and doing a bit of gardening on unruly exchanges. Though, perhaps Hans would be less frustrated with comments on his answers if he knew David would be seeing the flags rather than a moderator... Heck, perhaps the real value here would be in simply making flags visible to high-rep users. | |
| Apr 4, 2015 at 7:22 | comment | added | Travis J | The ability to delete comments unilaterally feels a little creepy. It seems like certain users would be able to silently censor others. If deletion and undeletion were removed from this, I think it would greatly reduce the ability for it to be abused. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 20:54 | comment | added | Mad Scientist | @BradLarson the rude and offensive flags are already more likely to be handled by the community than the other comment flags. They tend to get a stronger reaction and are more likely to contain any of the single-vote delete trigger words. What we need is a tool that makes mods aware of users that get unusually many comments removed because they're offensive. The community should be able to remove those, it just shouldn't leave mods in the dark. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 20:37 | comment | added | enderland | As a moderator who has dealt with patterns of less than desirable comments going undetected for lengthy periods with only a few moderators deleting periodic bad comments, I don't really want people other than the moderators to be able to also delete comments. It's hard enough to coordinate "oh user X has done what with comments?" and the appropriate mod responses with only a few of us. It feels like a forensic study because of how poorly the SE interface handles comment flags already, this would make it impossible. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 20:36 | comment | added | Servy | @AdamDavis And yet it's not appropriate to create a new answer to say, "Mr. Smith's answer is incorrect and doesn't work because of Foo." That should be a comment. But if Mr. Smith can just delete all of the comments that explain why their answer doesn't work, that would be bad. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 20:19 | comment | added | CRABOLO | While I like the idea of more people helping get rid of unnecessary comments I don't think 30k rep privs is the right thing for it for reasons you stated including "we want these users to be answering not doing easy, unfulfilling comment moderation". A comment review queue should be created, and anyone should be able to flag comments that will end up going into this new queue, and people with > 500 rep (or maybe even 5000 rep) will be able to review the comments and take actions from there. This will take the majority of comment moderation away from mods, except the "requires mod attention". | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 20:19 | comment | added | Pollyanna | @Servy perhaps, but the current system just ensures abuse the opposite direction. By keeping comments a protected form of communication which requires moderator intervention we find that it's easy for everyone to heap abuse on people. It doesn't even have to be big forms of abuse, but the type of minor sniping that drives new users away. Comments should not be held in such high regard, nor be closed to normal user moderation systems. They should be ephemeral, easily deleted minor bits of clarification. If a user has something important to say, they should be encouraged to add an answer. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 19:39 | history | edited | Jon Ericson | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Umm... this just hasn't been my day so far.
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| Apr 3, 2015 at 19:29 | comment | added | Servy | @AdamDavis That leaves the problem of abusive 30k users deleting comments just because they say things that they disagree with, or to troll users. If other users can see the deleted comments, such abuse can be discovered. If only a small handful of mods can see it, it's much more likely for it to go unnoticed. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 19:04 | comment | added | Pollyanna | @BradLarson Which only suggests that we don't need to treat comments as important or vital. How about we don't allow viewing deleted comments (except by moderators, as we have now) but we do allow deleting comments? | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 19:03 | comment | added | Brad Larson | I could get behind 30k+ users having the ability to moderate comments, but I'd limit the comments they can review to those flagged as "not constructive" or "obsolete". I would prefer to have only moderators handle the "rude or offensive" or "other" comment flags, because these tend to show more severe patterns of behavior and may require moderator intervention. The latter two categories are also far less common than the former. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 19:00 | comment | added | Brad Larson | @AdamDavis - With questions and answers containing sensitive information (credentials, medical records, etc.) or credible physical threats against other people (yes, this happens), we know to contact SE employees and have this stuff burned. With comments, we operated under the assumption that only moderators would see these, and have not asked SE employees to purge these from the database. These would all now be exposed to normal users not bound by the moderator agreement, and we have no way of searching back through the history of them. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:59 | comment | added | Jon Ericson | @ bluefeet: Separating out chatty and obsolete comment flags and letting the community (whether 30k or some other level) clear them is a great idea. If you have a moment, would you mind writing that suggestion up? | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:54 | comment | added | Taryn | Shhhh @Servy don't give away my secrets! | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:53 | comment | added | Servy | @bluefeet I see how it is; you're currently constructing a new horror movie/website/game/something based on deleted SO comments and you don't want anyone to scoop you. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:42 | comment | added | Pollyanna | @bluefeet Is that really different than questions and answers? Questions and answers have been posted which no one should see as well. If there are comments that, if seen by very trusted users, would significantly damage Stack Exchange, then we need to take a very hard look at why that is and fix it. Comments that can tear apart the fabric of the universe seem like an exaggeration. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:38 | comment | added | Taryn | @AdamDavis There are comments that are posted that no-one should see...ever! I personally wouldn't want to have a large # of users have the ability to see those. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:37 | comment | added | Taryn | @JonEricson Creating even a comment flag queue would be a step in the right direction IMO. It's really easy to throw too chatty flags at a flag queue for users to review - we get tons of those and they are a waste of time for moderators, even obsolete comment flags. But I'd hesitate to send in rude/offensive or not-constructive flags. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:36 | comment | added | Pollyanna | Just because we have a history of treating comments as special doesn't mean we need to or should continue that history. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:36 | comment | added | Pollyanna | @bluefeet Comments were never meant to be a first class feature, holding important content. At any time users know their comments can be deleted for many reasons much more trivial than reasons behind editing, removing answers, etc. Further, if deleted questions and answers can be viewed by 10k users, surely the comments aren't any more sensitive or important to require significant elevation. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:34 | comment | added | Jon Ericson | @pizza: If we gave more people comment edit powers, we'd also need to give more people access to comment revision history. (Currently we don't show that to anyone, so this would be a big step in itself.) Like I imply in the answer, this is my best proposal and I wouldn't vote for it myself. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:31 | comment | added | Jon Ericson | @bluefeet: I agree. I've spent the last couple of weeks trying to split out a subset comment moderation tools that would be good for giving to 30k users and I can't come up with a reasonable set. Removing the informational features leaves people without the information to make good decisions. Removing the action features mostly exposes people to junk. That's why I'd prefer to develop an aging system for comments instead. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:28 | comment | added | user259867 | If editing comments past 5 min is allowed, it definitely should be disabled on metas. And even so, there are enough bitter 30K users around willing to use this feature to make others look stupid. I imagine these new powers being used for harm more often than for good. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:06 | comment | added | Taryn | I like the idea of adding comment moderation but some of the items listed, I'd be worried about including: access to deleted comments, undeleting comments, editing comments. I'd think that we'd want these privileges restricted to a small # of users and on SO 30k user base is pretty large. Would users have access to all comments in the flag queue? There are things that moderators need to be aware of and if we no longer see these flags, then we lose the ability to step in. There might be repeated not-constructive/rude comments that needs messaging - that'd be lost if handled elsewhere. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 18:00 | history | answered | Jon Ericson | CC BY-SA 3.0 |