Timeline for Dealing with "Find out who's going to buy the croissants"
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| Mar 17, 2017 at 8:50 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Aug 6, 2013 at 7:50 | history | edited | gnat | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/21?m=10606504#10606504 -> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/192046/165773 "In hotness formula, discard answers when voting evidence indicates that these are not good data points"
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| Aug 2, 2013 at 23:20 | history | edited | gnat | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
In hotness formula, discard answers when voting evidence indicates against their popularity
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| Jul 31, 2013 at 8:36 | comment | added | Daniel Daranas | I never look at the HotList either, but I look at the questions tab ordered by any of the criteria (including votes) every time. If they are bad examples, like @Caleb says, maybe that fact should be addressed in the first place, not the queries or buttons in the GUI which end up showing those highly upvoted questions. | |
| Jul 30, 2013 at 6:09 | comment | added | BoltClock's a Unicorn | @KatieK: I discovered it by accident when my inbox or notifications would fail to load ;) | |
| Jul 29, 2013 at 23:20 | comment | added | KatieK | On the topic of the HotList - I never look at it. I kinda didn't know it was there until reading this. I use that dropdown only to look at my Inbox and Notifications. | |
| Jul 26, 2013 at 17:52 | comment | added | Caleb |
@Shog9 As long as we're dropping the HotList, can we also drop the /questions?sort=votes tab that makes it too easy to find a given sites all time most upvoted questions? Those are almost without always bad examples for newcomers and its' almost invariably where they end up starting from.
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| Jul 26, 2013 at 17:31 | comment | added | gnat | ...forgot to add 1,7K+ helpful flags to the bragging above. Yeah I thought quite a lot whether there could be a way to make dealing with troublesome posts easier | |
| Jul 26, 2013 at 15:10 | comment | added | Shog9 | The topics accepted by Programmers and TWP are... problematic when it comes to objective evaluations of answers. But then, that's why these sites exist... | |
| Jul 26, 2013 at 13:15 | comment | added | gnat | @Sklivvz yeah I was thinking about something like that for Programmers, ever since I learned about that Skeptics rule. :) Still can't figure objective criteria for our topics, despite being fairly familiar with the site (2+ years, 200+ posts in 200+ tags, 19K+ votes, 2,5K+ edits, 1,5K+ comments, 10K+ rep). | |
| Jul 26, 2013 at 12:46 | comment | added | Sklivvz | @gnat the key is finding a rule that allows the community to be objective when deleting. I suspect that something can be found in most cases, but the key is getting the community to actually get on spotting the <meh stuff. | |
| Jul 26, 2013 at 11:52 | comment | added | gnat | @Sklivvz yeah I heard about that. I think rules allowing mods to unilaterally delete meh answers do a good job of taming the problem, be it concrete-programming at SO or famous back-it-up at Skeptics. At sites I am active though (Programmers and Workplace), such formal rules are hard to impossible to establish. I for one would not want to rely on mod discretion splitting meh and okay answers neither at Programmers nor at Workplace (with all due respect). | |
| Jul 26, 2013 at 11:30 | comment | added | Sklivvz | FWIW it's a very common problem on skeptics where 1. we get sudden spikes in traffic because we handle some very google friendly topics and 2. our site admits questions that everyone has an opinion on and feel that they can contribute. We have two strict rules about this which ensure quality of questions (notability) and answers (references). These rules allow us to aggressively close or delete poor quality questions and answers as mods or experienced users. Personally, I'd never go back to the sea of "meh" that ensues otherwise. | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 22:49 | history | edited | gnat | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
"broken" -> "bug in" // formula isn't bad enough to call it broken (http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/99077/dont-let-questions-stick-to-the-top-of-the-hot-questions-list-forever?lq=1#comment496917_101857)
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 20:53 | vote | accept | Mark Booth | ||
| Jul 25, 2013 at 20:53 | comment | added | Mark Booth | Thanks @gnat - this quite comprehensively explained my biggest problem with this question. | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 19:18 | history | edited | gnat | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
"Croissants" went down from 16 to 14 answers in about an hour, between 1st and 4th revisions of this answer
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:51 | comment | added | Mysticial | But yes, controversial questions like this one, or the socks one, or the isUserAGoat are still pretty rare. It's not like we're getting flooded by them everyday. So yes, there's bigger fish to try as far as content quality goes. | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:49 | history | edited | gnat | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
minor spelling correction
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:47 | comment | added | Mysticial | @Shog9 To be fair, I rarely see complaints about in-depth technical stuff getting too many votes. So if the multicollider can be biased in favor of those, I'd say there will be fewer people complaining. My only real complaint about the current formula is not that it brings out the wrong types of questions, but that it buries the quality stuff. That said, it's not completely broken so I haven't been speaking out much. It's still possible for a technical question to get popular - but it usually requires the help of Reddit or Hacker news. (IOW, an external force to override the multicollider.) | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:42 | comment | added | gnat | @Shog9 split-polish -- oh but I tried that, and it doesn't work. Or, more precisely, it doesn't work in hot questions. "What is especially depressing is that regular ways to deal with this kind of issues just don't work. It's typically not difficult to edit the question to repel garbage answers, I can easily name a handful of active regulars who can and do just that. Thing is though..." | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:38 | comment | added | Shog9 | Improving the site quality here would be leveraging the huge amount of attention brought to bear on this question to spit-polish it into something that stands as a symbol for what a good question can be. I see precious little of that here. | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:34 | comment | added | gnat | @Shog9 well I agree that it won't likely stop at this bugfix. We just seem to perceive what will happen next a bit differently. The way you describe it, sounds like oh that'll be yet another (useless?) complaint in that endless stream. To me, it rather feels like that'll be a next step to improve site quality | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:24 | comment | added | Shog9 | I already know what would happen, @gnat: folks would complain about some other aspect of popular questions. Y'know - like they've been doing here for most of this discussion. You hit the nail on the head: this isn't an inherently problematic question, but it serves as a symbol for every lazy/unclear/overrated post that frustrates and infuriates each day: the hot list as a sacrificial alter. | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:15 | comment | added | gnat | @Shog9 well if you ever decide to drop the hot list (or, which is essentially the same, switch to Mysticial' formula), I for one would be quite interested to first learn what will happen if we just fix that apparent bug in the formula | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:04 | history | edited | gnat | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:04 | comment | added | user102937 | @Shog9: Works for me. | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:03 | comment | added | Shog9 | To be honest, this sounds like an argument for dropping the hot list entirely. | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 18:03 | comment | added | user102937 | This. This is why the discussion is important. Pet velociraptors aside, this is what trips up new users, every time. Y U NO LIKE MY QUESTION? U LIEK THAT ONE! | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 17:57 | history | answered | gnat | CC BY-SA 3.0 |