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I think we should enable pings for comments on deleted posts (if they're not already enabled). Sometimes a user beats me to leaving an appropriate comment, and it's annoying to have to type it out again just so I know they'll see it it and not be left to wonder where their question/answer went.
– voretaq7
Commented Apr 23, 2013 at 20:52
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The second point is downright brainless. Bad stupid questions with no effort put in them/which make no sense/whatever, need to be destroyed.
– H2CO3
Commented Apr 23, 2013 at 21:34
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@H2CO3: It's those sorts of questions that should have -2 or worse, which makes them candidates for deletion under this new scheme.
– Matt
Commented Apr 23, 2013 at 21:37
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@Matt Not enough. The site is already much more cluttered with noise like these "questions" than it would be acceptable... and now developers are pulling moderation tools out of the hands of users?
– H2CO3
Commented Apr 23, 2013 at 21:38
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@ShaWizDowArd: if that was true, I don't think H2CO3 would be complaining so loudly. The idea here is to restrict speedy deletion on posts that might have some redeeming value, even if it's not enough to ultimately salvage the post. Posts that were asked in good faith, even if they're off-topic or duplicates or whatever, those can remain long enough for the asker to maybe learn something from the experience, but if a post gets heavily down-voted and then deleted, so be it.
– Shog9
Commented Apr 23, 2013 at 23:22
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If author can see own deleted questions, why don't we show it in his profile? (i.e. in to questions tab)
– Himanshu
Commented Apr 24, 2013 at 5:10
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@hims056 If that is the case, this feature request would be status-completed. Jeff must be very disappointed to see this happen as he is still alive. (He actually edited his comment to remove the part that could lead to a potential assassination, maybe things have changed?)
– Antony
Commented Apr 24, 2013 at 5:13
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@Shog9 The restriction in only being able to delete after the post has been closed for 2 days only applies to posts with a score of >= -2 though. For example, this question came up in chat yesterday which resulted in it getting swiftly deleted. Many times the community is quick to delete highly downvoted questions, even if the OP hasn't had a chance to login and view the comments explaining why the post is bad and what needs to be done to fix it. This doesn't teach the OP anything
– Rachel
Commented Apr 24, 2013 at 16:19
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@Shog9: "...no one...sees deleted posts listed in profile questions and answers lists. That's been true for 10K users...for years, no reason to change it for this." Yes, there is: >10k users are much less likely to have questions deleted than new users. New users should see why their question was deleted, with comments. That's the whole point of showing them. They're not going to magically know they need to bookmark it. They may do that, but there is a very strong reason indeed for listing deleted questions in their list of questions (only when they're looking at it).
– T.J. Crowder
Commented May 6, 2013 at 15:59
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It seems like if you want people to learn and ask better questions, you should let them know if their questions were deleted so they can go back and try and improve. All the current system does is frustrate and confuse low rep people like myself (and I speak from experience)
– JockM
Commented May 6, 2013 at 17:24
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@Shog9: Perhaps you've never heard of the "many paths" rule of UI design. Not helping new users in the ways we can, including giving them links to their deleted questions, just begs for more bad questions for no good reason. Harm in not letting them find them? They keep repeating mistakes. Harm in letting them find them? ________________ It's not even a hard call.
– T.J. Crowder
Commented May 6, 2013 at 21:20
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@Shog9: I think you're making the mistake of failing to see just how frustrated and turned off people are if they post a question, then come back and it's just gone. Again, and I can't say this enough: There is no harm in making it possible for them to readily find those questions (for instance, via their profile, or via comment links in their inbox). There is very real and clear harm not doing so. And if you're not bothered about those people, why make the half-change that's been made? It makes no sense.
– T.J. Crowder
Commented May 8, 2013 at 21:33
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@Shog9: "The change as it stands solves the immediate problem of helping folks who do come back looking for something they've asked, wondering why it was removed" No, it doesn't, except in the edge case where they've bothered to bookmark it. I don't bookmark questions I ask, I expect to be able to navigate there. Again: What. Is. The. Harm. In. Listing. These. For. Them. ?! Why this three-years-and-running obstinance to doing such a simple and obvious thing? Why keep them in the dark? Why actively hide information from them?
– T.J. Crowder
Commented May 8, 2013 at 21:52
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@Shog9: So give them a chance to dismiss the items from the list. (Delete the deletion, if you will.) That's exactly zero justification for not giving them the useful feedback in the first place. I don't expect the questions will be restored. I expect that (some people, the people we actually want participating on SE) will learn what is and isn't useful. Example: My first post on SO, I made an a** of myself with a signature line. But I saw the feedback, and learned from it. If my answer had just been deleted with no explanation and no way to find it, would I have contributed as I have? No.
– T.J. Crowder
Commented May 8, 2013 at 22:01
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@Shog - it seems to me the logical solution here is to hide deleted questions by default, but allow users to show them if desired. I have to agree with TJ here, that the harm is virtually zero, and it quite likely could help some people. And I can't imagine this would take much development effort. At all.
– Adam Rackis
Commented May 9, 2013 at 6:43

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