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Fwd: Fwd: Re: [arbcom-appeals-en] Appeal by Chealer
by Filipus Klutiero 30 Aug '15

30 Aug '15

I am forwarding the last mail promised in https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2015-August/111154.html This is the last mail in the thread on JzG's case (regarding WP:EXPLAINBLOCK violations). It quotes the 2 other mails in that thread (as well as the original report). The only mail from the BASC in this thread is entirely quoted, except for pre-written paragraphs. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Fwd: Re: [arbcom-appeals-en] Appeal by Chealer Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:38:20 -0400 From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer(a)gmail.com> To: arbcom-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Hi, During the first week of June, I was told by Chris McKenny that the Ban Appeals Subcommittee considered User:JzG's 2015-04-13 block as policy-compliant. As can be seen in the forwarded mail, I asked Chris to explain shortly after, hoping to understand the subcommittee's stance on this issue, but have not received a reply so far. I have not retired yet, and I intend to treat this issue in my retirement letter, which is why I hereby ask other members to explain your position. By the way, I noticed that a reform is already being discussed (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Ban_appeals_re… ). -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [arbcom-appeals-en] Appeal by Chealer Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2015 12:37:58 -0400 From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer(a)gmail.com> To: Chris McKenna <thryduulf.wiki(a)gmail.com> CC: English Arbitration Committee mailing list (appeals) <arbcom-appeals-en(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Hi Chris, On 2015-06-04 04:39, Chris McKenna wrote: > Hello Chealer > > The Arbitration Committee has carefully considered your application and declines to unblock at this time. Thank you for the prompt response. > After examining your conduct we have determined that the current block and block log message are correct and compliant with policy. Please provide the committee's deliberations on this issue. If this is not possible, did the committee have a unanimous stance? [...] > > *--- > Chris McKenna (Thryduulf)* > thryduulf.wiki(a)gmail.com <mailto:thryduulf.wiki@gmail.com> > > Unless otherwise noted, opinions expressed in this email are solely my own and do not necessarily represent the views of the Arbitration Committee as a whole. > > On 17 May 2015 at 17:50, Chealer <chealer(a)gmail.com <mailto:chealer@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Update: My first 2 attempts to submit this email apparently failed, as discussed on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-stewards. Please excuse and ignore in case the first attempts actually worked. > -------------------------------------------- > I have never used any other username on Wikipedia. > > > The latest block on my account, imposed by User:JzG, violates the blocking policy (per WP:EXPLAINBLOCK). > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chealer#Blocked (excluding the unrelated "Related AN notice" subsection) is the relevant on-wiki discussion. The UTRS appeal is #13664. > > > The administrator who reviewed my UTRS appeal rejected implying that my actions were disruptive and mentioning he "f[ou]nd this block justified". Since I had no chance to reply, I would like to make it clear that my appeals do *not* mean I consider the block "unjustified". While I would not say that "[my] actions were [...] disruptive", I will not go as far as to claim that not one of the 10 000+ actions I performed on the English Wikipedia over 10+ years has been disruptive. In fact, I know that some of these were erroneous, and I have no doubt that I have neither fixed myself nor recognized in any way some of my errors, even if we only count those I already noticed. JzG's block could be "justified" in the sense that a justification for it could have been provided. All I am asking for with this appeal is to revoke JzG's block. I am *not* asking to be "unblocked" in the sense that my account should be free to edit again. If any administrator thinks my contributions call > for a new block, then that administrator is free to implement it in compliance with policy. > To be perfectly clear, the outcome of this appeal will be correct as long as the current block is repealed, whether my account ends up affected by a policy-compliant block or not. > > By the way, I really appreciate the BASC Status ("Currently, you can expect your appeal to be decided in ~ 6 weeks."). It would be nice to precise "Currently" though - or even better, allow making appeals public. Oh, and "Email me a copy of my message." is really nice meanwhile. > > -- > This email was sent by user "Chealer" on the English Wikipedia to user "Ban Appeals Subcommittee". It has been automatically delivered and the Wikimedia Foundation cannot be held responsible for its contents. > > The sender has not been given the recipient's email address, nor any information about his/her email account; and the recipient has no obligation to reply to this email or take any other action that might disclose his/her identity. If you respond, the sender will know your email address. For further information on privacy, security, and replying, as well as abuse and removal from emailing, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Email>. > > _______________________________________________ > ArbCom-appeals-en mailing list > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BASC > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-appeals-en > > -- Filipus Klutiero http://www.philippecloutier.com

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Licensing IP edits and vanished users under CC0
by WereSpielChequers 18 Aug '15

18 Aug '15

Currently our default license for EN wiki is CC BY-SA 3.0, but isn't this a bit odd for IP editors and vanished users? Wouldn't it make more sense if IP editors were licensing their edits as CC SA, and vanishing users as part of vanishing were relicensing their edits as CC-SA? In one case the only attribution we can make is to an IP address, in the other the editor doesn't want to be attributed. Changing the default license would then give a more transparent reason for registering an address. If you would like your edits to be attributed directly to yourself or indirectly via a nom de plume, then create an account and your logged in edits will be licensed *CC BY-SA 3.0.* Regards WSC

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Atlantic on Wikipedia and PR
by The Cunctator 18 Aug '15

18 Aug '15

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/08/wikipedia-editors-for-p… The Covert World of People Trying to Edit Wikipedia—for Pay On January 11, 2013, James Heilman, an emergency-room physician and one of Wikipedia’s most prolific medical editors, was standing watch over the online encyclopedia’s entry for a back procedure called a kyphoplasty. The page originally suggested that the procedure’s effectiveness was “controversial,” and an unidentified Wikipedia user had proposed <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Percutaneous_vertebroplasty&diff…> changing the text to “well documented and studied”—a characterization that Heilman thought wasn’t supported by existing research. He rejected the change. Kyphoplasty, along with vertebroplasty, the procedure it shares a Wikipedia page with <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percutaneous_vertebroplasty>, is a common treatment when someone’s spine breaks—a frequent occurrence in people with osteoporosis, which makes bones brittle—and then doesn’t heal naturally. The procedure is meant to reduce the pain of a fracture, even though it sounds unpleasant: It consists of inflating a tiny plastic balloon near the fracture, removing the balloon, and then injecting a toothpaste-like plastic cement into the resulting crevice and letting it harden. The procedure grew popular in the ‘90s, despite the fact that its effectiveness wasn’t backed up by definitively convincing research. By the time two studiespublished in 2009 <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/research/06spine.html?pagewanted=a…> found that vertebroplasty—and, by extension, kyphoplasty, which is similar but has not been tested in controlled experiments—was no more effective than a placebo treatment, at least 100,000 <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/opinion/26redberg.html>of the two procedures were being performed every year. (It’s hard to say an exact number, as the procedures are not recorded in any national database.) In 2011, Medicare paid out around $1 billion <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/opinion/26redberg.html> for vertebroplasties and kyphoplasties, and the number of the procedures performed each year is not estimated to have decreased significantly since then. Some are concerned about the money being spent on a procedure that’s controversial and sometimes risky. “To my mind, [kyphoplasty] is an unproven modality and based upon current evidence would have to say it works as well as vertebroplasty, which is to say likely to work as well as a placebo,” says Rachelle Buchbinder, a professor of epidemiology and preventive medicine at Australia’s Monash University, as well as a co-author of a recent vertebroplasty review <http://www.cochrane.org/CD006349/MUSKEL_vertebroplasty-for-osteoporotic-ver…>published by the Cochrane Collaboration, a network of independent researchers. She notes that in Australia, where she lives, public funding for the procedures was withdrawn after the two 2009 studies were published. “From my perspective there is no longer any dispute,” she says. There are experts who disagree. Sean Tutton is a professor of radiology at the Medical College of Wisconsin, and spoke to me on behalf of the Society of Interventional Radiology, which put out a position paper with other medical societies that called vertebroplasties safe and effective under the right circumstances. “If my mother had a vertebral-compression fracture and after several weeks of conservative management with bed rest, plus or minus bracing, and appropriate pain management, if she still was having ongoing pain and disability, I would treat her,” he says. “I wouldn't even think twice.” As James Heilman thought more about the attempted edit to the page for vertebroplasty and kyphoplasty, he grew curious about who might be trying to write over the controversy of the procedures, so he Googled the would-be editor’s Wikipedia username. Sifting through the results, he saw that a man named Kim Schelble had an email address that contained the same nickname. Schelble, Heilman found, was employed by Medtronic, a company that sells medical devices used for, among other things, kyphoplasties. There is little evidence to suggest that kyphoplasties are any better than vertebroplasties, but to a medical-device manufacturer, there’s an important distinction: A kyphoplasty kit sells for thousands of dollars more than a vertebroplasty kit, which generally costs a few hundred dollars. Medtronic doesn’t supply the latter, but it spent nearly $4 billion <http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6481649> in 2007 to purchase a company that makes some of the products included in a kyphoplasty kit. “Their concern is that those at Medicare might read the Wikipedia article,” Heilman says. “If I go to Google, and I put in ‘percutaneous vertebroplasty,’ the first page that comes up is Wikipedia.” Is it really a concern that some high-level decision maker at Medicare or a hospital system might be making billion-dollar decisions based on information from Wikipedia? “Yes,” Heilman insisted. “Definitely.” Indeed, Schelble at one point complained in an email to Heilman, “This site and the content on here is scaring prospective patients and insurance companies are not wanting to cover these procedures.” (Schelble, who no longer works for Medtronic, didn’t respond to multiple requests to comment for this article, and Medtronic would not comment on the actions of a specific employee. However, communications between Heilman and Schelble did later confirm that it was Schelble who tried to make the edit.) Schelble’s concern that a Wikipedia article was hurting his company’s business is a common one—the site has enormous reach, and the information it contains makes its way to nearly everyone, from consumers to policymakers to people Googling innocuous questions on their phones. Even minor changes in wording have the potential to influence public perception and, naturally, how millions of dollars are spent. What this means for marketers is that Wikipedia is yet another place to establish an online presence. But what this means for Wikipedia is much more complicated: How can a site run by volunteers inoculate itself against well-funded PR efforts? And how can those volunteers distinguish between information that’s trustworthy and information that’s suspect? Even minor changes in wording have the potential to influence public perception and, naturally, how millions of dollars are spent. Soon, Heilman found himself rejecting other changes to the page for vertebroplasty and kyphoplasty. After the word “controversial,” a user who Heilman says was most likely Schelble, tried to add <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Percutaneous_vertebroplasty&diff…> “among some but not among the actual physicians who perform these procedures.” The site’s Talk page for the procedures, where proposed edits are discussed, took on a bitter tone. “[Heilman] clearly cares more for his cyber reputation than producing reputable content … Patients who find their way to this page will not be shown the best and current findings on the topic,” wrote the user Clay1500. That handle belongs to Clay Schwabe, another Medtronic employee. “After...seeing how grossly selective Mr. Heilman was being in what data he chose to editorialize on the page, I did write that post,” Schwabe told me, but he insists that he did not contribute to the Talk page in his capacity as a Medtronic employee. Shortly after these proposed edits and comments came in, Heilman received an email from Douglas Beall, a radiologist in Oklahoma, encouraging him to reconsider the importance the Wikipedia page placed on those two 2009 studies. This might have seemed like a good-spirited scientific discussion between two M.D.s if it weren’t for two things. One was that Beall has been consulting for Medtronic since 2005 (among several other companies), and disclosures indicate that he has received $150,000 or more from the company between 2012 and 2014 <https://www.spine.org/Documents/WhoWeAre/DisclosureIndex.pdf>. The other thing was that Beall had cc’d about 30 others, a group that he referred to informally as “the North American experts on Vertebral Augmentation.” Heilman said he felt intimidated; included on the list of recipients were one of his medical-school professors and a Vancouver doctor Heilman had in the past referred patients to. By the time the email thread had finally gone quiet, almost 300 addresses had been cc’d. To be clear, there is no reason to believe that Beall was coordinating with any Medtronic employees, and his numerous consulting gigs with other companies suggest that he is not some sort of kyphoplasty huckster in Medtronic’s thrall. Still, says Sohail Mirza, a spine surgeon and the former chair of orthopaedics at Dartmouth’s Geisel School of Medicine, doctors can grow to prefer the devices of certain companies over others as a result of such consulting arrangements. In the operating room, the manufacturer’s presence can be more than some abstract notion: “Often the [sales] reps are in the operating room for all of these procedures … guiding the surgical team: ‘This is next’; ‘Here’s how you mix this,’” says Mirza. Mirza, who is himself not convinced of the procedures’ effectiveness, adds that another plausible reason physicians might prefer vertebroplasties and kyphoplasties is that they believe they’re better at selecting patients, and thus think that they can personally beat the results of randomized, controlled trials. “I think radiologists and surgeons generally believe that their patients do better. That's the only way I can imagine them rationalizing it,” he says. Beall, for his part, acknowledges that he has “financial ties and research ties to many medical-device and pharmaceutical companies,” but points out that the overwhelming majority of high-quality medical literature on vertebroplasty has been funded by medical-device manufacturers. An economic reality of modern medical research is that rigorous studies can cost millions of dollars, and large companies are often the only ones willing to foot the bill. A doctor named Lawrence Epstein responded to the email thread lamenting this fact. “The problem we have [is] that the majority of the studies that support Kyphoplasty (even when they are well done) are authored by investigators who receive compensation from, or the studies are funded by, Medtronic,” he wrote. “Many of those who read these … are sensitive to this and take even the most convincing data with a grain of salt. What we need are non-industry funded, completely independent studies.” To which Beall responded: “I believe in critiquing the study itself rather than focusing primarily on the sponsor.” He lamented that this sponsor was typically the medical-device industry, but concluded, “Until unbiased and independent funding becomes more available this is the situation that we will all have to live with.” Through all this, Heilman kept most of the Wikipedia page intact, but it is easy to imagine a different result if the page’s custodian had been less dogged or less allergic to corporations. By now, Heilman doesn’t find companies' keenness to learn more about Wikipedia unexpected. He has received emails on behalf of companies such as IMS Health, GlaxoSmithKline, and Alexion Pharmaceuticalsrequesting more information from him about the editing process for Wikipedia’s medical content. “I do not consider the goals of the pharmaceutical companies to be educating people about pharmaceuticals,” he says. Still, he says, “Medtronic has been the worst company that I have encountered with respect to aggressively editing Wikipedia to promote their products.” “The effectiveness of vertebroplasty,” Wikipedia currently reads, “is disputed.” * * * In 2006, Jimmy Wales, Wikimedia’s most public-facing board member, reportedly said that undisclosed paid editing—trying to alter the content of Wikipedia without revealing a financial conflict of interest—is “antithetical” to the site’s aims <http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-01-25-wiki-paid-entries_x.htm>. The practice continued at a low hum over the rest of the decade, but a few years ago Wikimedia started hearing from its volunteer editorial corps that weeding out undisclosed paid edits was distracting from more substantive work. "They were spending a tremendous amount of their time patrolling articles, particularly articles about celebrities or individuals or companies for PR-type editing,” says Katherine Maher, a spokesperson for Wikimedia. The issue took on a sense of urgency in the fall of 2013, when a firm called Wiki-PR wasbanned from the site <http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/10/21/sue-gardner-response-paid-advocacy-edi…> for using hundreds of dummy accounts to fabricate widespread support for pages that flattered its clientele. To combat activity like this, Wikimedia amended its terms of use <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/16/change-terms-of-use-requirements-for-…> last summer to ban any undisclosed paid editing that might carry a conflict of interest. (To clarify, the scenario of a political-science professor, who’s paid to think about political science, forgoing disclosure when she edits a page about Japanese elections doesn’t present a conflict of interest and is thus kosher.) Maher says the terms-of-use change has been received well by those in the Wikipedia community devoted to stamping out paid editing. Perhaps it has—several large PR firms pledged <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Statement_on_Wikipedia_from_partici…> not to violate Wikipedia’s rules—but the practice hasn’t disappeared entirely. Two months ago, an investigation revealed <http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/business/media/a-pr-firm-alters-the-wiki-…> that even after the rule change, employees of Sunshine Sachs, a public-relations firm, had still been editing the Wikipedia pages of their clients without disclosing their affiliation. One email sent by the company boasted <http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/business/media/a-pr-firm-alters-the-wiki-…>, “Sunshine Sachs has a number of experienced editors on staff that have established profiles on Wikipedia. The changes we make to existing pages are rarely challenged.” Sunshine Sachs is reported to have scrubbed, among other things, Wikipedia’s references to Naomi Campbell’s critically-panned R&B album and Mia Farrow’s Ecuadorian activist efforts <http://nypost.com/2014/10/05/mia-farrows-dirty-profits-a-hidden-payoff-in-c…> . Many people who work within companies’ public-relations departments are inexperienced in the ways of Wikipedia, and some firms look outside of their ranks for editing help. Priceline, for example, once hired a third party to edit Wikipedia on its behalf; Viacom reportedly did the same <http://www.vice.com/read/is-the-pr-industry-buying-influence-over-wikipedia>. Free online guides for outsmarting Wikipedia’s gatekeepers proliferate <http://www.text100.com/hypertext/2012/01/wikipedia-for-pr/>, but those can only get a novice so far. "Wikipedia writing is like no other writing,” says Mike Wood, a freelancer who makes a living editing Wikipedia pages for clients, referring to the site’s tireless pursuit of a neutral tone. Wood has set up his own website, and scores of other Wikipedia editors-for-hire await on freelance websites such as Elance. He says he works with highly visible people and companies, who pay him anywhere from $400 to $1,000 per article, but he won’t name names, for fear that someone might seek out and dismantle the Wikipedia pages of his clients. “You could turn on either Fox or CNN right now, and within one half hour you will … see a commercial for [a company or an interview with someone whose] page that I’ve created, or I’ve edited,” he claims. He says that he’s worked with “one of the world’s fifth largest banks” and members of “numerous presidents’ administrations.” Mike Wood says he works with highly visible individuals and companies, including “one of the world’s fifth largest banks” and members of presidential administrations. Wood started editing Wikipedia pages about seven years ago. “Wikipedia actually becomes addicting after a while,” he says. “You’ll see people on there all day long. It’s kind of like anyone who wants to play Warcraft or Candy Crush.” The novelty faded for him, though, and he spent a while seeking out freelance writing opportunities. But as he looked around, he noticed a growing number of ads looking for people to edit Wikipedia pages. “It was good money,” he says. In 2010, he returned to contributing regularly to the site, this time as a paid editor. During his hiatus, Wood says, the tenor of the site had changed. Veteran editors used to patiently help out new ones. “Now, if you’re brand new to the site, and you make a mistake, you’re going to get jumped on by editors very quickly,” he says. What changed in his absence, Wood says, is that employees of public-relations firms began to understand the value of a Wikipedia page, and tried going in to make edits themselves, with little regard for the site’s standards. The result was that the burden of proof became even heavier on newcomers, and, Wood says, even valid information was getting rejected out of hand by seasoned editors. Those PR companies are now some of Wood’s clients. “They contracted me for their Wikipedia work because some of their writers are so in tune to writing PR pieces that they can't handle writing for Wikipedia,” he says. “We’ve had some good editors who’ve done really good work begin to offer their services for sale because this is a decent way of making a living,” says James Heilman. After looking into what’s on offer at Elance, he’s concluded that lots of money changes hands there over Wikipedia edits. Heilman says he’s even come across an Elance posting by a Wikipedia editor with the title of “administrator,” an upper-echelon status that comes with exclusive powers on the site and currently belongs only to about 600 active users <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_administrators>. (Heilman says Elance has taken down one paid editor’s posting at his request, on the grounds that this editor is violating Wikimedia’s terms of use, but many postings remain.) The task falls to Wikipedia’s volunteer editors to detect and reject changes made by editors with undisclosed conflicts of interest. The site has several tens of thousands of volunteer editors who update the site regularly each month, and this would seem like enough to head off any biased edits. But many active editors are there to help with pages about subjects that they’re passionate about, not to spend their time parsing and eliminating PR-speak. And on top of that, the ranks of volunteer editors are dwindling, leaving fewer and fewer people to maintain a growing site. The authors of a study <http://abs.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/12/26/0002764212469365.abstract> published in*American Behavioral Scientist* in 2012 concluded that the number of active Wikipedia contributors has been declining because the site’s community isn’t welcoming enough to new editors. “For somebody who’s making their first edit,” acknowledges Katherine Maher, “we could do more to make it clearer as to what constitutes an edit that is in good faith, that is not a conflict-of-interest edit.” ------------------------------ Elisa Glass / The AtlanticElisa Glass / The Atlantic ------------------------------ Heilman, too, has come to a similar conclusion after conducting a study <http://www.jmir.org/2015/3/e62/> of his own, which was published this spring in the *Journal of Medical Internet Research*. He and his co-author, Andrew West, found that between 2008 and 2013, the number of Wikipedia editors who focused on medical topics decreased by 40 percent. Undisclosed paid edits, Heilman says, “often distract the core community of editors away from more important topics.” There is also a fear that editing will wane as a larger and larger percentage of Wikipedia’s users access the site from phones and tablets. The site, Andrew Lih, a professor of journalism at American University, wrote <http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/opinion/can-wikipedia-survive.html> in *The New York Times*, “has always depended on contributors hunched over keyboards searching references, discussing changes and writing articles using a special markup code.” Mobile devices simply aren’t conducive to those activities. Mike Wood also has doubts about the Wikipedia community’s resources for fighting paid editing. Since the terms of use were updated last summer, he’s seen more Wikipedia editing jobs posted on Elance. For this reason, he likes the policy—in that it has created business for him. “There are so many rules, so many guidelines, that it's made it near impossible to edit Wikipedia without having issues,” Wood says. Last summer’s policy change was yet another rule for new users to wrap their minds around, and newbies, even those acting in good faith, have trouble gaining the blessing of a Wikipedia veteran. So they give up. “The next search they do is ‘help editing Wikipedia,’” Wood says. “And guess what comes up? My website.” But Wood himself, who makes his living editing Wikipedia articles on behalf of companies and individuals, doesn’t adhere to the policy—he won’t disclose his conflict of interest when he edits pages for clients. Gregory Kohs, whose own Wikipedia-editing business was reportedly denounced <http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-01-25-wiki-paid-entries_x.htm> by Jimmy Wales in 2006, also declines to acknowledge when he’s writing for pay. Wood and Kohs have determined themselves exempt for the same reason: They don’t think Wikimedia follows its own rules. “As soon as Jimmy Wales adheres to Wikipedia guidelines, I will adhere to Wikipedia guidelines,” Wood says. Wood is referring to many alleged hypocritical acts, but the most notable <http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/30/magazine/jimmy-wales-is-not-an-internet-b…> is when Wales was reported to have edited his own Wikipedia page, designating himself “the founder of Wikipedia” and attempting to erase the academic Larry Sanger’s role in the development of the site. * * * All of this is troubling only if one sincerely believes that the information on Wikipedia is read at face value. No high school teacher would (knowingly) accept it as a source, and Wikipedians are fond of saying that research can start on Wikipedia, but it should never end there. But the way people answer their everyday questions today means that a lot of research does end on Wikipedia. The site’s pages are regularly among the top links that search engines turn up—among the general public, the site’s medical articles are estimated <http://www.jmir.org/2015/3/e62/> to have a larger readership than WebMD. Google has even started embedding excerpts from Wikipedia pages alongside its search results.Wikipedia isn’t just the final destination of typical denizens of the Internet; sometimes it’s where professional researchers end up as well. Fifty to 70 percent of physicians have been found <http://www.jmir.org/2011/1/e14/> to consult it as a source of medical information—a testament to its reliability. In fact, the site’s content can make its way into even trusted academic texts, as a recent case of plagiarism demonstrates. In October of last year, James Heilman was paging through a copy of *The Oxford Textbook of Zoonoses*, put out by Oxford University Press. Because western Africa’s public-health crisis had been in the news, Heilman was focusing on chapter 31, “Marburg and Ebola viruses,” written by Graham Lloyd, who works at the British government-research facility Porton Down, when he noticed that some text looked familiar. He brought up the Wikipedia page for “Ebola virus disease,” and grew troubled. Some of the text on Wikipedia looked eerily similar to the text in the book—a lazy Wikipedia editor had copied from the Oxford textbook, he guessed. He pulled up the page’s revision history to identify the offending editor. He saw that the section was co-written in 2006 by two users, Rhys and ChyranandChloe, and that it was updated in 2010. He jumped back over to the textbook and saw that it was published in 2011. It turns out Heilman had it backwards: It was someone on Oxford’s side, perhaps Lloyd, who had taken from Wikipedia. (Lloyd did not respond to multiple requests for comment.) The plagiarism was barely concealed. For reasons that remain unclear, some of the original citations from the Wikipedia page dropped out, and were replaced by pointers to other articles—articles that didn’t appear to support the claims made in the text, according to Heilman. In that sense, the Oxford textbook did not simply contain plagiarized text from Wikipedia; it appeared to make it less reliable. ------------------------------ *Medical Textbook vs. Wikipedia: A Side-by-Side Comparison* On the left: The Wikipedia page for Ebola, as of 2010. On the right: Page 364 of *The Oxford Textbook of Zoonoses*, published in 2011. Highlights indicate text that is copied. (Click here <https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/files/textbook_vs._wikipedia.jpg> to view a larger image.) ------------------------------ Christian Purdy, a spokesperson for Oxford University Press, acknowledged that some text was copied, but says this didn’t qualify as plagiarism. Instead, he called it an “inadvertent omission of an appropriate attribution.” “That our content was able to pass … review at OUP is another indication of our quality,” says Heilman. “I think the fact that world experts feel okay with ‘copy and pasting’ from Wikipedia and claiming it as their own is a statement of just how good some parts of Wikipedia have become.” Heilman had hoped that Oxford University Press would release its textbook with updated attribution into the Creative Commons, as is permitted under Wikipedia’s license, but the press has decided instead to rewrite the relevant section itself. Whatever the outcome, the provenance of the textbook’s information does not bode well for the sourcing of the average AP English essay. * * * Because an undisclosed paid edit that goes through is undetectable, it is hard to empirically assess the effectiveness of Wikipedia’s responses to conflict-of-interest editing over the years. Nowadays, the estimated prevalence of paid editing changes depending on whom you ask. “The site itself is so massive that when you talk about problems, they actually tend to be quite small compared to the overall body of work,” Maher says. She points out that Wiki-PR, the furthest-reaching paid-editing operation yet discovered, only made a few thousand edits. Still, undisclosed paid editing is enough of a fly in the ointment to prompt the Wikimedia Foundation to say it “affects the neutrality and reliability of Wikipedia.” <http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/16/change-terms-of-use-requirements-for-d…> Joseph Reagle, a professor of communication studies at Northeastern University and the author of *Good Faith Collaboration: The Culture of Wikipedia*, tends to agree with Maher’s assessment. “If we were to enumerate the list of the things that would cause people to be skeptical of the quality of Wikipedia … I suspect paid contribution would be relatively low,” he says. "It's not an issue where there's none, or there's a lot. It's just one of those things where, probably, everyone speeds a little bit.” Those who consult on editing Wikipedia frame things a little differently. “Undisclosed paid editing, especially on the part of the largest PR firms, is rampant on Wikipedia,” says Patrick Taylor, the head of communications for Wiki-PR, which has, after being banned, refashioned itself as a Wikipedia consultancy. However, Taylor is convinced that most of these edits actually improve the site, and that conflicts of interest are rooted out fairly efficiently. In a way, undisclosed paid edits are just a smaller instance of a much more foundational problem for a site that strives for unalloyed “neutrality.” All Wikipedia editors, whether volunteer or paid, come to their keyboards with some kind of bias. The presence of money in this equation is never a reliable indication that some information is untrustworthy, since it’s frequently the case that the people who feel they have the biggest stake in promoting their views on Wikipedia are often the best informed. Douglas Beall might receive money from medical-device manufacturers, but part of the reason they’re paying him in the first place is because he’s an expert on certain medical devices. Moreover, plenty of people hold views for which they receive no compensation that would nevertheless render them inadequate editors. For example, a volunteer Greenpeace activist might not be the most impartial steward of a page about the coal industry. Money is but one limited signifier of information’s quality. These questions are as salient as ever now that Wikipedia has become not a place to go for information, but *the* place to go. "Many people do not consider other people to be intelligent enough to use Wikipedia with a grain of salt, yet they consider themselves to be intelligent enough to use Wikipedia properly,” Heilman observes. To rely on Wikipedia without any skepticism is to act as though every editor is as relentless, principled, and stubborn as he is.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Licensing IP edits and vanished users under CC0
by Ben Salvidrim 17 Aug '15

17 Aug '15

Some editors already declare on the userpage that their contributions are licensed under something more permissive than the default (such as CC0, PD, etc ), so maybe such a template could be added to userpages or talks of vanished editors. As for changing the default licensing of IP edits.... Well, a bold suggestion, and good luck with that! Definitely not something a local project can implement though. Perhaps if meta/global consensus is strong enough to petition WMF Legal your idea might get somewhere. I personally cab definitely see the merits of it. ~Benoit / Salvidrim [Sent from my Nexus 5] On Aug 17, 2015 11:34 AM, Nathan <nawrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > This is not a conversation for the -en list, this is a conversation > for the lawyers and/or wikimedia-l. Individual projects should not be > messing with licensing, wherever possible; it creates a highly > confusing and contradictory environment. > > No danger in a discussion, wherever it happens. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Future of this mailing list
by Carcharoth 14 Aug '15

14 Aug '15

If the moderators of this mailing list are around, would they or anyone else subscribed to the list be able to throw up some statistics about how much the traffic has declined over the past few years? I'm asking because looking at the archives, I think that last month (November 2014) was the first month since the mailing list started in September 2001 that there were no posts to the this mailing list (the wiki-en-l mailing list for discussion of matters related to the English Wikipedia). Admittedly, the list has been moribund for a long time, but I'm not sure exactly when the tipping point was reached (most meta-discussion seems to take place either on-wiki, at meta, or on the Wikimedia-l mailing list). What is the general view in the Wikimedia universe on maintaining low-traffic lists like this? It might be time to discuss what future this mailing list has. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/ https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Actually, looking at the list of moderators, how many of them are still around? Carcharoth

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [arbcom-appeals-en] Appeal by Chealer
by Ben Salvidrim 12 Aug '15

12 Aug '15

BASC is intended to be a venue to appeal bans specifically and not blocks, but it still sometimes responds to block appeals because an indef-block can be considered a "de facto" ban, albeit one that did not require prior community consensus (or an ArbCom decision). Since this is not an actual community ban, it should IMO be appropriate to process any unblock request normally on-wiki as an administrator. Perhaps community comment can be sought but it does not seem to be like that would be mandatory. This is regardless of BASC's response (which, if it must be said, seems to have opined as to the validity of the block without commenting on an actual block appeal). ~Benoit / Salvidrim [Sent from my Nexus 5] On Aug 7, 2015 9:03 AM, Kevin Gorman <kgorman(a)gmail.com> wrote: I will say on the face of it, I'm pretty disappointed at how this looks. Chealer's block record was not very long - yes, counting JzG's he received three recent blocks, but there are plenty of people who do little productive who have worse records. And frankly, two of those blocks were for trivial reasons - 3rr, and for editing an archive? I don't think I've ever seen anyone blocked for a week for editing an archive. More so: I'm disappointed that although Chealer requested diffs of what exact part of his behavior was disruptive, he only received one link from anyone. Surely we can do better than this? JzG's initial block offer explicitly indicated a willingness to lift the ban if Chealer altered his behavior... but then JzG never posted on his talk page again. Moreover, JzG's initial block statement was insufficient - you don't get to indef a long time community member and just say the reasons are "obvious". Once I have more time to examine this block later today, I'm going to be tempted to restore Chealer's talkpage access, because JzG's initial block offer explicitly included an offer to unblock him if he changed his behavior, and that obviously can't be done if he can't even talk. I'll also ping JzG to the page because I'd hope the initial blocking administrator would be the person to work this out, but if he doesn't show up and Chealer's 'record of disruption' seems like something where he can agree to a set of conditions that will mitigate any future disruption, I'll be awfully tempted to act in JzG's stead in implementing his offer.... That's certainly not an offer that can be implemented with TPA and JzG MIA. This could be a perfectly good block. But JzG's initial block notice and subsequent discussion on the page don't make it obvious that it's a good block. I'll be reviewing the entire situation later including all of Chealer's recent edits (I've only looked at the talk page and block log atm,) and may find it to be an entirely good block, but if not I intend to restore Chealer's talk page access, ping JzG to the page so that we can discuss JzG's initial offer, and if JzG doesn't show up (to me, it's weird to use "you know what you did" block message on anyone but vandals,) given that JzG initially showed a willingness to unblock CHealer, if I work out a set of conditions that I'm confident will mitigate any future problems, I'll be awfully tempted to unblock Chealer myself. (And again, I may find an indefinite block totally appropriate here - it's just not at all obvious from the block message or from future discusssion on the page.) Even though this has already gone to BASC, I'm pretty sure these actions would be within my authority as an administrator - someone correct me if I'm wrong please. Best, Kevin Gorman On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:43 AM, Filipus Klutiero <chealer(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am forwarding the last mail promised in > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2015-August/111154.html > This is the last mail in the thread on JzG's case (regarding WP:EXPLAINBLOCK > violations). It quotes the 2 other mails in that thread (as well as the > original report). > > The only mail from the BASC in this thread is entirely quoted, except for > pre-written paragraphs. > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Fwd: Re: [arbcom-appeals-en] Appeal by Chealer > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:38:20 -0400 > From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer(a)gmail.com> > To: arbcom-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Hi, > During the first week of June, I was told by Chris McKenny that the Ban > Appeals Subcommittee considered User:JzG's 2015-04-13 block as > policy-compliant. As can be seen in the forwarded mail, I asked Chris to > explain shortly after, hoping to understand the subcommittee's stance on > this issue, but have not received a reply so far. > > I have not retired yet, and I intend to treat this issue in my retirement > letter, which is why I hereby ask other members to explain your position. > > By the way, I noticed that a reform is already being discussed (see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Ban_appeals_re… > ). > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [arbcom-appeals-en] Appeal by Chealer > Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2015 12:37:58 -0400 > From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer(a)gmail.com> > To: Chris McKenna <thryduulf.wiki(a)gmail.com> > CC: English Arbitration Committee mailing list (appeals) > <arbcom-appeals-en(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > Hi Chris, > > On 2015-06-04 04:39, Chris McKenna wrote: >> >> Hello Chealer >> >> The Arbitration Committee has carefully considered your application and >> declines to unblock at this time. > > > Thank you for the prompt response. > >> After examining your conduct we have determined that the current block and >> block log message are correct and compliant with policy. > > > Please provide the committee's deliberations on this issue. If this is not > possible, did the committee have a unanimous stance? > > > > [...] >> >> >> *--- >> Chris McKenna (Thryduulf)* >> thryduulf.wiki(a)gmail.com <mailto:thryduulf.wiki@gmail.com> >> >> Unless otherwise noted, opinions expressed in this email are solely my own >> and do not necessarily represent the views of the Arbitration Committee as a >> whole. >> >> On 17 May 2015 at 17:50, Chealer <chealer(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:chealer@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Update: My first 2 attempts to submit this email apparently failed, as >> discussed on #wikipedia-en and #wikimedia-stewards. Please excuse and ignore >> in case the first attempts actually worked. >> -------------------------------------------- >> I have never used any other username on Wikipedia. >> >> >> The latest block on my account, imposed by User:JzG, violates the >> blocking policy (per WP:EXPLAINBLOCK). >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chealer#Blocked (excluding the >> unrelated "Related AN notice" subsection) is the relevant on-wiki >> discussion. The UTRS appeal is #13664. >> >> >> The administrator who reviewed my UTRS appeal rejected implying that >> my actions were disruptive and mentioning he "f[ou]nd this block justified". >> Since I had no chance to reply, I would like to make it clear that my >> appeals do *not* mean I consider the block "unjustified". While I would not >> say that "[my] actions were [...] disruptive", I will not go as far as to >> claim that not one of the 10 000+ actions I performed on the English >> Wikipedia over 10+ years has been disruptive. In fact, I know that some of >> these were erroneous, and I have no doubt that I have neither fixed myself >> nor recognized in any way some of my errors, even if we only count those I >> already noticed. JzG's block could be "justified" in the sense that a >> justification for it could have been provided. All I am asking for with this >> appeal is to revoke JzG's block. I am *not* asking to be "unblocked" in the >> sense that my account should be free to edit again. If any administrator >> thinks my contributions call >> for a new block, then that administrator is free to implement it in >> compliance with policy. >> To be perfectly clear, the outcome of this appeal will be correct as >> long as the current block is repealed, whether my account ends up affected >> by a policy-compliant block or not. >> >> By the way, I really appreciate the BASC Status ("Currently, you can >> expect your appeal to be decided in ~ 6 weeks."). It would be nice to >> precise "Currently" though - or even better, allow making appeals public. >> Oh, and "Email me a copy of my message." is really nice meanwhile. >> >> -- >> This email was sent by user "Chealer" on the English Wikipedia to user >> "Ban Appeals Subcommittee". It has been automatically delivered and the >> Wikimedia Foundation cannot be held responsible for its contents. >> >> The sender has not been given the recipient's email address, nor any >> information about his/her email account; and the recipient has no obligation >> to reply to this email or take any other action that might disclose his/her >> identity. If you respond, the sender will know your email address. For >> further information on privacy, security, and replying, as well as abuse and >> removal from emailing, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Email>. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ArbCom-appeals-en mailing list >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BASC >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-appeals-en >> >> > > > -- > Filipus Klutiero > http://www.philippecloutier.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Ban Appeals Subcommittee transparency and WP:EXPLAINBLOCK violations
by Filipus Klutiero 12 Aug '15

12 Aug '15

Dear colleagues, In April, User:JzG set an indefinite block on my account. This was the third block to affect me in just over one month. Worryingly, 2 of these 3 blocks violated policy (the first violating block was performed by User:Bbb23). I did not appeal Bbb23's block, which was a lesser offense since it was time-limited, and since I had already decided to retire, but I did appeal JzG's. The Ban Appeals Subcommittee (BASC) operates in secrecy. Until now, the communications with the subcommittee which I am about to disclose here had not been published. Most of you are probably unaware of what happens there, and I hope the following will be seen as an opportunity for improvement rather than a discouraging report. In my case, I had already decided to retire, and a couple of invalid blocks among the myriads of blocks we issue is not by itself a cause for alarm. This becomes a concern when weeks after they were set, none has been corrected. And this gets extremely worrying when both of the faulty users still have administrative privileges, months after their errors were reported. At that point, we have conditions for such behavior to enter mores - if that has not already happened. In light of what follows though, this is no surprise. Transparency The Ban Appeals Subcommittee operates behind the private email alias arbcom-appeals-en(a)lists.wikimedia.org. For a radical transparency advocate like me, having to use such a communication channel already raised a red flag. But I had no idea how bad the situation was. It took me 3 attempts to submit the appeal. While there was no confirmation in the first 2 attempts, since the failure was quiet, and since appeals are kept secret, it is likely that other contributors also failed to submit and are waiting for the results of an appeal which never reached the committee in the first place. I reported this issue to the subcommittee and offered my collaboration to fix it, but 2 months later, no member has either confirmed that the issue is known or asked for details. Thankfully (in a sense), the BASC appears to decide matters very quickly. The BASC's opacity apparently does not hide a problematic backlog. JzG's case was decided in just 2 weeks. What it may hide, however, is a total lack of accountability. Indeed, when the BASC declined to intervene in JzG's case, the list of arbitrators involved was not provided. In fact, I cannot even tell whether the BASC's decision was unanimous, even though I asked more than a month ago. WP:EXPLAINBLOCK JzG did not explain his block, yet the BASC's decision reads: > After examining your conduct we have determined that the current block and block log message are correct and compliant with policy. I asked the Arbitration Committee at large to explain its subcommittee's decision. Having received no answer weeks later, excluding a huge mistake, the subtext must be that the Arbitration Committee does not consider WP:EXPLAINBLOCK to be part of policy. I am against all rules, and EXPLAINBLOCK is not the one exception to that rule. If an account with a single edit is blocked due to obvious vandalism, linking to that edit is sufficient. Administrators should not have to write even one sentence to justify such blocks. But I do agree with EXPLAINBLOCK in spirit - we should not block important contributors (whom BASC is supposed to be dedicated to) without explanation. If we cannot live up to our slogan, we should at least be transparent. It is also insulting for a major contributor to be blocked without explanation. When I was blocked by User:Swarm, I pointed out his errors and let him some time to fix before I decided to retire. I would likely not have been so diligent had the block violated EXPLAINBLOCK. And if that does not seem enough, of course, the best reason is efficiency. I was blocked 4 or 5 times on the English Wikipedia, and at least 3 were in error. If blocks are not explained, contributors may waste much time trying to figure out the reason why they were blocked - whether such a reason exists or not. That being said, the Arbitration Committee is free to oppose EXPLAINBLOCK. However, it should not pretend EXPLAINBLOCK is not part of policy. If the committee opposes, it can voice its concerns on the policy's talk page, but it must refuse to hear EXPLAINBLOCK violation cases until the policy has been changed. If the committee is saying that administrators should not be expected to respect EXPLAINBLOCK with current manpower levels, it *should* seek to recruit quality administrators and certainly *must not* decline to fix violations without explanation. Alternatively, the policy could be changed to state that explanations are conditional to sufficient resources. Otherwise, contributors develop an expectation of accountability. *If* there is a coverup or anything of that kind, the BASC *must* still unblock to comply with policy, possibly renewing with a pseudo-explanation indicating that the administrators chose to keep their reasons confidential. In short, if we have a manpower issue, randomly clearing appeals at the risk of turning away even more contributors will not help. Since the BASC's deliberations have not been disclosed despite my request, and since the BASC will not even disclose the arbitrators at fault, I can only say that they are among the following (apologies to those who are not responsible for the decision): * AGK * Euryalus * Seraphimblade * Thryduulf (claims to be Chris McKenna) Those of you who have had to contact the BASC know that reporting problematic blocks on their own account does not start there. I ended up there because the block revision process is broken from beginning to end. After contacting the BASC, I noticed this issue was already being discussed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Ban_appeals_re… My account is still blocked from contributing to any page on the English Wikipedia. I never intentionally violated policy and will not start doing so because my account was blocked, so I will not contribute there. However, I urge those who remain to contribute to this project. Proper ACL management is critical. Note that arbcom-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org is intentionally not Cc-ed, since this will cause lists.wikimedia.org to refuse the message "for privacy protection". -- Filipus Klutiero http://www.philippecloutier.com

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Fwd: Re: [arbcom-appeals-en] BASC status and transparency
by Filipus Klutiero 04 Aug '15

04 Aug '15

Not much to see here, but for full disclosure, I am forwarding this last message from the thread. All messages from committee members are entirely quoted in the 2 mails now forwarded, except for 1 templated paragraph. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [arbcom-appeals-en] BASC status and transparency Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 18:35:42 -0400 From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer(a)gmail.com> To: arbcom-appeals-en(a)lists.wikimedia.org Hi LFaraone, On 2015-05-18 17:14, LFaraone (BASC) wrote: > Chealer, > > This confirms receipt of your message, the contents of which have been > distributed to members of the subcommittee. Thank you > The purpose of this list > is to hear appeals of blocks and bans, not to submit bug reports or > suggest changes to Wikipedia policies or processes. I am not sure what you mean. The mail I sent primarily meant to avoid misinterpretation of my suggestion regarding BASC status, which is why I think it is relevant here, but feel free to suggest a better forum if you consider this suboptimal (although I currently have no intention to add anything). As for the submission bug, I was not sending a proper bug report and just meant to let you know there is a bug in case this has not been reported yet. If this is already tracked, someone can point me to the ticket and I will contribute there if possible. If not, I meant to signal my willingness to help if someone else is interested. This could be a browser bug, but a Wikipedia bug seems much more likely. If someone volunteers, I use the same address on XMPP. > > -- LFaraone > > [...] -- Filipus Klutiero http://www.philippecloutier.com

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Fwd: BASC status and transparency
by Filipus Klutiero 03 Aug '15

03 Aug '15

Following https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2015-August/111154.html I am hereby disclosing a message I sent to the BASC 2 months ago, which unfortunately remains entirely current AFAIK. No one has indicated whether the bug is known or not. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: BASC status and transparency (was Re: [arbcom-appeals-en] Appeal by Chealer) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 16:25:21 -0400 From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer(a)gmail.com> To: Chris McKenna <thryduulf.wiki(a)gmail.com>, English Arbitration Committee mailing list (appeals) <arbcom-appeals-en(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Hi Chris, On 2015-05-17 17:09, Chris McKenna wrote: > Thank you for writing to us. The Ban Appeals Subcommittee will now consider your appeal and report its decision to you in due course. The current turnaround time for ban appeals can be checked at <http://enwp.org/WP:BASC#turnaround>. While I appreciate that you would like more precision than that, we are unable to be more specific as the length of time an appeal takes depends on many factors including the availability of individual members of the committee and the specifics of the appeal. What I meant was not that a single measure was insufficient. I was just pointing out that as for any static document which contains "Currently", reliability is limited. Rather than "Currently, you can expect [...] ", this could read - for example - "As of December 2014, you can expect [...] ", or "Currently (last updated December 2014), you can expect [...] ". That would make appealing... more appealing ;-) In this case, one may get the information from page histories, but this is less trivial with templates. While we're at it, according to our own article on tilde, the usage we make does not exist in English. Also, "you can expect" is vague - it would be best to say - for example - that the average time is x, or that the vast majority of appeals are processed in x, depending on what was meant (apparently the latter). > We do not make appeals public as a matter of course as this is not normally in the interests of all parties, and in some cases would compromise privacy. I did not mean to say all cases should be entirely public - I can understand some privacy issues. But I do not see why a public process would not "normally" be "in the interest of all parties" - or at least, in the project's interest, which is what we should consider. Speaking for my case, it would certainly be at least in my interest for the appeal to be public. Then again, if the subcommittee wants to keep some or all of its internal communications private, that is a lesser issue. Simply opening external communications would solve most of the transparency problems, including the one which prompted this discussion, i.e. the capacity of potential users to evaluate whether an appeal would be heard (and secondarily, how fast) without requiring someone else keeping an up-to-date assessment (though that could remain a useful indicator to get a quick idea). As a bonus, potential users could evaluate the appropriateness of appeal results. I rarely (less than once a month on average) make a benevolent online contribution to a project if I cannot do so publically, unless that is due to exceptional circumstances (say a buggy ITS). As a radical transparency advocate, I may not be a reference, but I am surely not alone. Of course, if you care about the possibility of appealing privately, supporting both options can complicate your work or require investment. I honestly believe though, that for a project which champions openness like Wikimedia, and for an activity as critical as ban management in an open wiki, this should be seriously considered. The WMF might be able to allocate resources to help implementing this. Finally, regarding the submission problem I noted, my third attempt to submit worked, unlike the first 2 which failed quietly. Even though there was no error, and even though I had never used Email this user before, it was relatively obvious that submission had failed since there was no confirmation (and I had requested an email copy which did not arrive). Still, I am willing to help if that issue is unknown or not fully understood yet. I was using Debian 8's Iceweasel 31 in the first attempts. I made the successful attempt using Chromium, so this may be browser-specific. > > [...] > For the Ban Appeals Subcommittee, Thank you > > *--- > Chris McKenna (Thryduulf)* > thryduulf.wiki(a)gmail.com <mailto:thryduulf.wiki@gmail.com> > > Unless otherwise noted, opinions expressed in this email are solely my own and do not necessarily represent the views of the Arbitration Committee as a whole. > > On 17 May 2015 at 17:50, Chealer <chealer(a)gmail.com <mailto:chealer@gmail.com>> wrote: > [...] -- Filipus Klutiero http://www.philippecloutier.com

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