Timeline for When the Portuguese began the exploration of the West African Coast, did they believe the Indian Ocean was an enclosed sea?
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| Jul 13, 2020 at 9:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackHistory/status/1282600690037280768 | ||
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| Jul 9, 2020 at 22:58 | comment | added | Russell McMahon | But, but ... Ophir :-) | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 18:03 | comment | added | Rodrigo de Azevedo | @asmaier unenumerated.blogspot.com/2006/10/… | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 17:27 | comment | added | asmaier | I find it fascinating that around the same time the Chinese were exploring the east coast of Africa: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_treasure_voyages | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 8:39 | comment | added | Rodrigo de Azevedo | @RussellMcMahon Especially amazing if they sailed from Indonesia to Madagascar roughly in a "straight line". Less amazing if they sailed along the coastline. Sailing along the western coastline of Africa was not trivial. No idea about the southern coastline of Asia or the eastern coastline of Africa. | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 8:34 | comment | added | Russell McMahon | @RodrigodeAzevedo Yes either or both or other. As per my " ... indicate that they arrived in enough volume to be dominant ...". The Spanish in South and Central America had very very very less people but superior weapons technology and some advantages in some cases based on religious conceptions of the locals. The ships shown on the Borobudur carvings are limited in capacity. Substantially larger ones seem unlikely. Whatever the reason it's astounding that they managed to achieve a foothold. | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 8:31 | comment | added | Rodrigo de Azevedo | @RussellMcMahon Or they had better weapons than the locals. Or they outbred the locals. | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 8:29 | comment | added | Russell McMahon | @RodrigodeAzevedo Certainly :-). I do not know if the Borobudur ship builders established a two way route. I've heard suggestions that they did but have not looked in any depth at the subject. The fact that the current majority people of Madagascar are ethnically Indonesian indicate that they arrived in enough volume to be dominant. Suggesting either that the island was about empty (which seems unlikely) or that they fielded a large number of people. It would be interesting to know what the "experts" think. | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 22:39 | answer | added | lurscher | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 13:49 | comment | added | Rodrigo de Azevedo | @RussellMcMahon Sometimes, sailing back is the hard part. | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 13:45 | comment | added | Russell McMahon | @user8654 And when they sailed past Madagascar the Indonesians had already long since (400-600 years?) crossed the Pacific(around the edge probably - past India) and taken up residence in Madagascar. !!! | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 12:55 | comment | added | user8654 | I am very grateful for the answers so far received. An alternative version of my original question is this: When did the Portuguese decide to round the southern point of Africa and make a direct sea voyage to India. Thus far, it seems to be implied in was after 1459 when the Portuguese received a copy of the Fra Mauro map? I strongly suspect, they made their decision ar an earlier date, before the death of Henry the Navigator in 1460. | |
| Jul 7, 2020 at 22:16 | comment | added | Russell McMahon | images - astounding. | |
| Jul 7, 2020 at 22:16 | comment | added | Russell McMahon | Borobadur ship references and Wikipedia page and | |
| Jul 7, 2020 at 22:14 | comment | added | Russell McMahon | Datapoint (maybe :-) ) : On the (utterly astoundingly marvellous) Indonesian Borobudur temple constructed between the 8th and 12th century) (dates vary) are depictions of twin outrigger ships - claimed to have reached both East and West African coasts. That the majority people of Madagascar are ethnically from Borneo (but essentially none of mainland African peoples are) and that the Malagasy language derives from Indonesian languages 'rather helps the case' for these arguments. A recreated ship reached Ghana from Indonesia (!) The Borobadurians could have told the Portugese a few things :-). | |
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| Jul 7, 2020 at 15:05 | comment | added | user43870 | You're right, but these stories sometimes comes up during discussions about exploring the world in the "age of exploration". Navigators since ~10th century were pretty good in dead recknoning and determining the longitude e.g. (e.g. jacob's staff or precursors of the astrolabe). | |
| Jul 7, 2020 at 14:32 | comment | added | Greg | @a_donda No one though the Earth was flat in Europe, not even the Catholic Church. It is a common misconception (myth) coming from late 19th century. | |
| Jul 7, 2020 at 14:00 | answer | added | Luiz | timeline score: 8 | |
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