Timeline for What does this Peter Sellers sentence mean?
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| Oct 5, 2023 at 20:19 | vote | accept | yglodt | ||
| Oct 5, 2023 at 19:39 | comment | added | Greenaum | In "Ilkley Moor 'baht 'at", "baht" apparently... so I'm told and I wasn't born too far from Ilkley Moor, means "without". You'll catch your death of cold going out on Ilkley Moor without your hat on (it's bloody windy!). So "Are we baht?" must mean "Are we without?", "without" meaning "outside", without the house as opposed to within it. It's old-fashioned grammar but a lot of really old Yorkshire, from centuries ago, has it's own grammar, it's probably Norse or something. "Without" meaning "outside" used to be used fairly often in English a century or two ago. | |
| Oct 5, 2023 at 17:16 | comment | added | Kiloran_speaking | @Tetsujin: perfect - yes, I think you're absolutely right. And the high voice is because it's him (Peter) as a child... | |
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| Oct 5, 2023 at 16:59 | comment | added | Tetsujin | @Kiloran_speaking - I just couldn't let it lie… one [or 6] more listens, "So I said, 'Aye'" - Sellers himself is the other person in the conversation. I still think he flubbed it a bit - but that's the best fit for characterisation. There's no-one else in the dialog, just him & grandad. | |
| Oct 5, 2023 at 9:13 | comment | added | Kiloran_speaking | You're right - it's neither nowt nor summat... | |
| Oct 5, 2023 at 9:06 | comment | added | Tetsujin | @Kiloran_speaking - it's not clear enough for me to truly differentiate. Could be right, but it could be either - it appears he's talking about/for someone else, with the high voice, but it's just too throw-away. In characterisation, I'd have expected that to be 'grandmother', so I suspect he flubbed it. [I'm not sure it's that important, not enough for me to download the whole file, clean up the reverb, re-EQ & compress it… just for one word. It'll do lad;) | |
| Oct 5, 2023 at 9:01 | comment | added | Kiloran_speaking | @Tetsujin: One more thing! I've just seen that you've typed out the dialogue that comes before the piece we're talking about. I think, on closer listening, that instead of 'Someone said "Aye"', it should be 'So he said "Aye"'. | |
| Oct 5, 2023 at 8:46 | comment | added | Kiloran_speaking | @Tetsujin: Ah fort so! Mekkit reyt, flower... Blimey, it's a long time since I thought in 'Yorkshire'! | |
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| Oct 4, 2023 at 17:01 | comment | added | Tetsujin | @Kiloran_speaking - ah, buggrit, tha mite be reight. a'll atta fix it a think ;)) I think I was swayed by the first interpretation initially. | |
| Oct 4, 2023 at 16:53 | comment | added | Kiloran_speaking | @Tetsujin: I think the start of the Sellars phrase is actually 'I'll a' to' (ie, 'I'll have to') rather than 'I'd like to'. Have a listen again and see what you think... | |
| Oct 4, 2023 at 13:35 | comment | added | Judy N. | Your last thought puts me in mind of the story that locals of Skegness referred to people from Leicester (with Skeggy being our default seaside destination) as "chissits", due to us introducing ourselves in shops with the phrase "ah muh chissit" | |
| Oct 4, 2023 at 11:10 | comment | added | Tetsujin | @WeatherVane - going out on a limb a bit, with nothing to really back me up - "Wheear wor ta bahn when" would belie there's ever a 'd' in it, or it would probably have been there if followed by a vowel sound. Guesswork, though. I'd imagine few of these words were ever written down, or even conjugated in any standard form; like thee, thou atc, all actually come out as 'thə', 'thi' or 'tha', often shaped by the following word rather than grammatical rules. | |
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| Oct 3, 2023 at 12:35 | comment | added | Weather Vane | So perhaps it's 'bound down' with the d's run together. | |
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| Oct 3, 2023 at 11:05 | comment | added | Tetsujin | Yup, I found more references as I was writing this, though none that far back. I just started with a bit of good old nouse ;)) Googling the word itself gives far too many German refs, & though that may indeed also be etymologically linked, I just didn't actually go that far into it. | |
| Oct 3, 2023 at 11:02 | comment | added | Segorian | — “I have absolutely no clue on the etymology of 'bahn'”. It’s apparently from Middle English boun (‘bound’), meaning ‘prepared’ or ‘bound for (a place)’, in turn from Old Norse búinn, meaning essentially the same thing. In modern Icelandic, búinn can still have those meanings, but also has several others. | |
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| Oct 3, 2023 at 8:33 | vote | accept | yglodt | ||
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| Oct 3, 2023 at 7:23 | history | answered | Tetsujin | CC BY-SA 4.0 |