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*'''Support move to [[Coronavirus pandemic]]''' – 'Covid-19' is jargon, confusing, and less common than 'Coronavirus' as a name for this disease in common discourse. We ought use the names people actually use for things, not the names handed down from above, as per our COMMMONNAME policy. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 21:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support move to [[Coronavirus pandemic]]''' – 'Covid-19' is jargon, confusing, and less common than 'Coronavirus' as a name for this disease in common discourse. We ought use the names people actually use for things, not the names handed down from above, as per our COMMMONNAME policy. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 21:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose''' - This just makes the article title longer than it should be. Please see the guideline of the talk page. [[Special:Contributions/180.244.146.165|180.244.146.165]] ([[User talk:180.244.146.165|talk]]) 21:30, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose''' - This just makes the article title longer than it should be. Please see the guideline of the talk page. [[Special:Contributions/180.244.146.165|180.244.146.165]] ([[User talk:180.244.146.165|talk]]) 21:30, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Snow close''' per Iridescent and [[WP:CONCISE]], and time to implement a much longer move moratorium, until the end of September at the least. <span style="color: #8B0000">Caradhras</span>Aiguo (<small>[[User talk:CaradhrasAiguo|leave language]]</small>) 22:20, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2020 ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2020 ==

Revision as of 22:20, 17 June 2020

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    01. Superseded by #9
    The first few sentences of the lead's second paragraph should state The virus is typically spread during close contact and via respiratory droplets produced when people cough or sneeze.[1][2] Respiratory droplets may be produced during breathing but the virus is not considered airborne.[1] It may also spread when one touches a contaminated surface and then their face.[1][2] It is most contagious when people are symptomatic, although spread may be possible before symptoms appear.[2] (RfC March 2020)
    02. Superseded by #7
    The infobox should feature a per capita count map most prominently, and a total count by country map secondarily. (RfC March 2020)
    03. Obsolete
    The article should not use {{Current}} at the top. (March 2020)

    04. Do not include a sentence in the lead section noting comparisons to World War II. (March 2020)

    05. Cancelled

    Include subsections covering the domestic responses of Italy, China, Iran, the United States, and South Korea. Do not include individual subsections for France, Germany, the Netherlands, Australia and Japan. (RfC March 2020) Include a short subsection on Sweden focusing on the policy controversy. (May 2020)

    Subsequently overturned by editing and recognized as obsolete. (July 2024)
    06. Obsolete
    There is a 30 day moratorium on move requests until 26 April 2020. (March 2020)

    07. There is no consensus that the infobox should feature a confirmed cases count map most prominently, and a deaths count map secondarily. (May 2020)

    08. Superseded by #16
    The clause on xenophobia in the lead section should read ...and there have been incidents of xenophobia and discrimination against Chinese people and against those perceived as being Chinese or as being from areas with high infection rates. (RfC April 2020)
    09. Cancelled

    Supersedes #1. The first several sentences of the lead section's second paragraph should state The virus is mainly spread during close contact[a] and by small droplets produced when those infected cough,[b] sneeze or talk.[1][2][4] These droplets may also be produced during breathing; however, they rapidly fall to the ground or surfaces and are not generally spread through the air over large distances.[1][5][6] People may also become infected by touching a contaminated surface and then their face.[1][2] The virus can survive on surfaces for up to 72 hours.[7] Coronavirus is most contagious during the first three days after onset of symptoms, although spread may be possible before symptoms appear and in later stages of the disease. (April 2020)

    Notes

    1. ^ Close contact is defined as 1 metres (3 feet) by the WHO[1] and 2 metres (6 feet) by the CDC.[2]
    2. ^ An uncovered cough can travel up to 8.2 metres (27 feet).[3]
    On 17:16, 6 April 2020, these first several sentences were replaced with an extracted fragment from the coronavirus disease 2019 article, which at the time was last edited at 17:11.

    010. The article title is COVID-19 pandemic. The title of related pages should follow this scheme as well. (RM April 2020, RM August 2020)

    011. The lead section should use Wuhan, China to describe the virus's origin, without mentioning Hubei or otherwise further describing Wuhan. (April 2020)

    012. Superseded by #19
    The lead section's second sentence should be phrased using the words first identified and December 2019. (May 2020)
    013. Superseded by #15
    File:President Donald Trump suggests measures to treat COVID-19 during Coronavirus Task Force press briefing.webm should be used as the visual element of the misinformation section, with the caption U.S. president Donald Trump suggested at a press briefing on 23 April that disinfectant injections or exposure to ultraviolet light might help treat COVID-19. There is no evidence that either could be a viable method.[1] (1:05 min) (May 2020, June 2020)
    014. Overturned
    Do not mention the theory that the virus was accidentally leaked from a laboratory in the article. (RfC May 2020) This result was overturned at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard, as there is consensus that there is no consensus to include or exclude the lab leak theory. (RfC May 2024)

    015. Supersedes #13. File:President Donald Trump suggests measures to treat COVID-19 during Coronavirus Task Force press briefing.webm should not be used as the visual element of the misinformation section. (RfC November 2020)

    016. Supersedes #8. Incidents of xenophobia and discrimination are considered WP:UNDUE for a full sentence in the lead. (RfC January 2021)

    017. Only include one photograph in the infobox. There is no clear consensus that File:COVID-19 Nurse (cropped).jpg should be that one photograph. (May 2021)

    018. Superseded by #19
    The first sentence is The COVID-19 pandemic, also known as the coronavirus pandemic, is a global pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). (August 2021, RfC October 2023)

    019. Supersedes #12 and #18. The first sentence is The global COVID-19 pandemic (also known as the coronavirus pandemic), caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), began with an outbreak in Wuhan, China, in December 2019. (June 2024)

    Mitigation outcomes

    I think this (paraphrased) is worth adding, maybe in the management section:

    In the absence of policy actions, we estimate that early infections of COVID-19 exhibit exponential growth rates of roughly 38% per day. We find that anti-contagion policies have significantly and substantially slowed this growth. Some policies have different impacts on different populations, but we obtain consistent evidence that the policy packages now deployed are achieving large, beneficial, and measurable health outcomes. We estimate that across these six countries, interventions prevented or delayed on the order of 62 million confirmed cases, corresponding to averting roughly 530 million total infections.

    — The effect of large-scale anti-contagion policies on the COVID-19 pandemic[1]

    References

    1. ^ [1]

    Deaths

    The deaths are now 431,000... Not 429,000...103.100.11.3 (talk) 04:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    This question pops up again and again. 1) check for the sources. Numbers here are taken from WHO or ecdc.europa.eu, but not necessarily the numbers from JHU or the estimates from worldometers. 2) fix it yourself if you got the proper numbers. --Traut (talk) 10:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    Trump & Khamenei misinformation images/videos: NO consensus

    After careful thought I believe neither image/video should be included. My recent edit was reverted, with the following edit summary: "Reverting back to consensus". However, there seems to be no clear consensus, see the recent discussions here, here, here and here. -- Tobby72 (talk) 10:53, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    The is no real consensus for the inclusion of the Trump video. The last discussion was on the image caption even that argument was all over the place. If people want to keep the video, they need to have a clear consensus for its inclusion, otherwise it's a violation of UNDUE and NPOV. Hzh (talk) 12:33, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    +1 no consensus at all. Iluvalar (talk) 20:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    This issue has been settled. All three of you participated in the prior discussions and consensus did not go your way. It's time to drop the matter, not to forum shop by raising it over and over again. "I disagreed with the consensus" ≠ "there is no consensus". {{u|Sdkb}} talk 01:14, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    There is NO consensus. You just opened a vote between a dissatisfying option 1 and an absurd option 2 that no one ever wanted. It doesn't make option 1 impossible to change after the vote. YOU are the one who categorically refuse to try to reach a consensus. Iluvalar (talk) 02:31, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    That discussion wasn't even about whether to have the Trump video there at all, so it is entirely wrong to argue that there is a consensus on keeping the video. It also disappeared from the talk page before closing, so even the vote on the options wasn't decided on (I counted 8 for option 1, 7 against option 1 including those who wanted neither, no one cared about option 2), that is not a consensus. Hzh (talk) 12:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    You are right, there is no consensus. -- Tobby72 (talk) 10:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Someone can probably start a RfC on whether to keep the Trump video or not. Hzh (talk) 14:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    National responses section

    This section needs more global coverage in summary style. Currently only some countries are covered in excessive depth while others are not even mentioned. This section should have subsections on Continents (like Asia, Africa etc.) with only few paragraphs on heavily affected nations in those continents.

    • Current version
      • Asia
        • China
        • Iran
        • South Korea
      • Europe
        • Italy
        • Spain
        • UK
        • France
        • Sweden
      • North America
        • US
      • South America
        • Brazil
      • Africa
      • Oceania
    India, Russia, Turkey, Peru, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia; these all heavily affected nations are missing. This section needs rewriting.-Nizil (talk) 06:15, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    if you add all those 'missing' countries, how long will this article get?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Nizil Shah, you may want to take a look at consensus item number 5, which has two links ([ 1 ] [ 2 ]) discussing the criteria to include countries in the Responses section to prevent it from being too bloated. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:18, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Problem is, those discussions don't mention Brazil, for example, so where did the consensus come from for COVID-19 pandemic #Brazil? France is excluded by the discussions, but currently has a section. It's clear that the situation (and consensus) changes with time. I'd suggest that the criterion for including a national section here should be contingent on having a separate article "COVID-19 pandemic in Xyz", and that the section here should be a brief summary of that article per WP:Summary style. Cutting down on the over-detailed sections would go a long way toward reducing the size of the article. --RexxS (talk) 20:10, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    Before it was archived, we were having a discussion about a new potential RfC on this matter after some contentious edits last week. It stalled a little when attempting to decide what sort of question we should ask, but most people agreed that the section should be re-balanced. I'm not sure if it would make sense to vote on specific countries, or a broader criteria for inclusion. Somebody suggested we organized the section by the main "phases" of spread as indicated by the pandemic curve, Asia, then Europe, then the Americas, but that seems messy to me. But perhaps there's a more even handed way of determining where weight should be given to particular countries. BlackholeWA (talk) 22:01, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    • The addition of specific countries has changed over time, so they needed to be adjusted when the situation changes. France can be removed since it is not particularly interesting and its inclusion was not agreed on, but Russia and India can be added. I think some country sub-sections need to be trimmed (China and US), maybe limiting to four or five paragraphs. Otherwise it is fine as it is. Hzh (talk) 14:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    "C-pandemic" listed at Redirects for discussion

    Information icon A discussion is taking place to address the redirect C-pandemic. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 16#C-pandemic until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 17:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    This article needs to talk less about COVID-19 itself

    The article talks a lot about COVID-19 and SARS-CoV-2. It should talk only a little bit about the disease and virus, and more about the pandemic of the disease. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaiBrown1204 (talk • contribs) 06:16, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    Why? Isn’t the pandemic the spread of the disease? It goes into it perfectly--BaseFree (talk) 06:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    RaiBrown1204, but that's the point of talking about the pandemic: how the disease is affecting the world and what the current status is on its prevalence. Specifics of the virus or disease are mostly confined to the lede, or in their own sections which also have a link to their own articles. Responses to the disease are listed further down. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:35, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    vandalism - says china wuhan virus pandemic

    please delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.230.159 (talk) 08:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

     Done by Fengryffen. --Pandakekok9 (talk) 08:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    Requested move 17 June 2020

    COVID-19 pandemic → Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic – Still confusing how title of Wikipedia page about the pandemic/epidemic is. I suggest the title of the page to be accurate (for example: title should be named to Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic). I think that would be better than current title of article. 2A02:2F01:6504:6200:495:F136:5E0:109B (talk) 16:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    Strong oppose - This just makes the title longer than it should be. I suspect this will be WP:SNOW closed within the next few hours. Interstellarity (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Strong oppose - This just makes the article title longer than it should be. Please see the guideline of the talk page. 180.244.146.165 (talk) 21:30, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2020

    I suggest adding the following to the History section, perhaps as the first sentence, or alternatively at the end of the first paragraph of the History section: 

    The virus started spreading successfully among humans at some point between mid-September 2019 and early December 2019, based on estimates using the virus mutation rate as a molecular clock.[1][2]

    Great article, by the way - thank you, Wikipediacs. 86.161.80.143 (talk) 18:01, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ "COVID-19: genetic network analysis provides 'snapshot' of pandemic origins". Cambridge University. 9 April 2020. Archived from the original on 16 April 2020. Retrieved 17 June 2020.
    2. ^ Forster P, Forster L, Renfrew C, Forster M (8 April 2020). "Phylogenetic network analysis of SARS-CoV-2 genomes" (PDF). PNAS. 117 (17): 9241–9243. doi:10.1073/pnas.2004999117. PMC 7196762. PMID 32269081. Archived (PDF) from the original on 16 April 2020. Retrieved 17 June 2020. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |name-list-format= ignored (|name-list-style= suggested) (help)

    good read

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