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Jimbo welcomes your comments and updates – he has an open door policy. He holds the founder's seat on the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees. The current trustees occupying "community-selected" seats are Rosiestep, Laurentius, Victoria and Pundit. The Wikimedia Foundation's Lead Manager of Trust and Safety is Jan Eissfeldt.

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This talkpage has been mentioned by a media organization: Matthew Gault (8 December 2021). "Wikipedia Editors Very Mad About Jimmy Wales' NFT of a Wikipedia Edit". Vice Media. The trouble began when Wales posted an announcement about the auction on his user talk page—a kind of message board where users communicate directly with each other.

Because you were a nice guy at Wikipedia, I decided to give you a takeaway cheeseburger from McDonalds. SonicIn2022 (talk) 19:06, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

	Sonic the Hedgehog
	Sonic wants to say: You are a nice guy, because you are doing nice at protecting from vandalism! And you are EVEN BETTER because you even founded this glorious Wikipedia! SonicIn2022 (talk) 19:14, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lol. Did he? I'll ask him if he has! XD Tails Wx 18:21, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jimbo,

I would like to ask you to please respond to concerns related to your behavior here. Multiple respected editors, including admins, arbitrators, and stewards have raised concerns regarding your behavior at that page. SQL^{Query Me!} 01:24, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

how quaint. .usarnamechoice (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jimbo, can you confirm if you sent your evidence to ArbCom? MarioGom (talk) 06:13, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Has ArbCom received the evidence of WikiExperts activities you claim to have? Has WMF Trust & Safety received it too? MarioGom (talk) 21:33, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: the relevant section at User talk:Bradv has been blanked (not by me). But it's easily accessible through the page history. Bishonen | tålk 21:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC).[reply]

In answer to the above question, unless it is stuck in moderation or something, the committee has not received the evidence.

A user on an offsite forum has suggested that this might be the underlying incident. It sounds like the exact sort of scam that those folks who actually do real work combating paid editing are all very familiar with. The old "The article about you was vandalized, give me money and I'll watch out for it, don't and it may be deleted." Beeblebrox (talk) 02:48, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that could be case. And yes, unfortunately, we are familiar with this kind of scam. Now, Jimbo Wales claims to have evidence that could help investigating the case, but if it's not shared, there's little to be done. Given the different angles of this incident, full details should be submitted to ArbCom, Trust & Safety, and paid-en-wp@. MarioGom (talk) 05:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that WikiExperts (wikiexperts.com) and WikiExperts Inc (wikiexpertsinc.com) are different companies, and right now, we don't even know which of them are we talking about. MarioGom (talk) 06:01, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously this is an ongoing situation and obviously I will be sharing all evidence with Arbcom and T&S as I obtain it. I've given SilkTork my latest update a couple of days ago and will be sending further things today and as they arrive.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:09, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So...you made an accusation and didn't even have the evidence in hand? I'm incredibly disappointed. You have a tremendous amount of "soft power" in your position, and like it or not, everything you say carries a lot of weight (and as the saying goes, with great power comes great responsibility). Your actions here have not shown the thoughtfulness required. By falling for such a simple and common scam (and I expect the evidence here will consist of a screenshot someone on Telegram saying "I'm Bradv, Wikipedia moderator, go buy a page from my close personal friends at WikiScammers!" or something similarly obvious), you have engaged in an egregious personal attack against a respected member of our community. Frankly, if anyone else had done this, I would probably have blocked them on sight. Don't make this mistake again. Do better. GeneralNotability (talk) 15:27, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now, now, a "joe job" is a relatively new, very complex idea that has not yet made it into the mainstream; the fact that Joe job was a red link as recently as 2004 is evidence enough of its novelty. You have to understand, not all WP users are savvy enough to understand the concept. It's not like this mistake was made by an experienced ... oh, wait. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:11, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If Jimbo had responded with "sorry, I didn't know this was a common scam, sorry Bradv, I'll email my evidence to the correct places and let them handle it," I would have been more than happy to forgive and forget. We all make mistakes, and anyone can fall victim to a scam. The problem is that Jimbo doubled down, insisting that Brad answer directly, even after a half dozen very trusted folks told him that he was making a mistake. That has left me in a not particularly forgiving mood.

Also, I can say that we've received the evidence now (forwarded by SilkTork), and...there's no evidence. It's just a vague assertion by Jimbo. No screenshots, no indication of who the target of the scam was, certainly nothing strong enough to publicly accuse anybody of UPE. GeneralNotability (talk) 17:49, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have received an email from Jimbo in which he says he regrets being so assertive in his comments, and that he will be asking the "victim" (assumed to be the person who paid for an article to be written on Wikipedia) for more information, and that he will forward that information when he receives it. There is no evidence in the email regarding Bradv's involvement. There is some commentary regarding impersonation of admins by companies offering article writing services. I have forwarded the email to ArbCom. SilkTork (talk) 17:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thought this may interest you and page watchers, Template talk:Registered editors by edit count#H1 2022 vs all time (and other stats assembled by Colin above that section on the page). Randy Kryn (talk) 04:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While I've got some eyes on this, I'd be interested in folks views on how the template (which is transcluded at Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits) should define "editors". For example, if we say your edit count is in the top 1% "of all editors" what does that mean? There are two meanings we could use:

1. An editor is someone who has got an account on English Wikipedia. (They have a record in the USER table in the database).
2. An editors is someone who has made at least one edit. They have edited Wikipedia.

Definition 1 is what the template is currently using. The problem is most of such account holders never make any edits at all. It seems editors on other Wikis get an account here if they look at a page. Or someone might have created an account in order to get a watchlist or to do some research. Or created an account and tried to post something that the edit filter blocked and gave up. Or created an account as a student in a class doing Wikipedia, but then couldn't be bothered to do any homework. Or created an account and then forgot their password. Etc, etc..

I think that's going to confuse a lot of people who will think that, well, you need to edit to be an editor. It turns out only 28.6% of accounts here have ever made even one edit (the template claims that's 50% but it is wrong). So it really alters the stats if you include these no-edit accounts. I think it would be more sensible if we moved over to definition 2. Let us know what you think at Template talk:Registered editors by edit count#The definition of editor. -- Colin°^Talk 16:03, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Editors edit, non-editors read. If someone has an account but hasn't edited, they aren't an editor. Seems an easy call. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:16, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Paid editing recruitment allegation and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.

Thanks, -- Amanda (she/her) 23:15, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]