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→‎Beer supporting Cosby: Bad taste and silly premise. Their name is on a building where he performed. That's not the same as supporting him.
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::Update: "Thanks to the registrations of trademarks Budweiser or Budweiser Budvar, that belong to Budějovický Budvar, ABI cannot use its key brand Budweiser in almost 70 countries." ([http://www.praguepost.com/czech-news/42910-thursday-news-briefing-nov-27-2014 source])--[[User:Der Golem|Der Golem]] ([[User talk:Der Golem|talk]]) 06:12, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
::Update: "Thanks to the registrations of trademarks Budweiser or Budweiser Budvar, that belong to Budějovický Budvar, ABI cannot use its key brand Budweiser in almost 70 countries." ([http://www.praguepost.com/czech-news/42910-thursday-news-briefing-nov-27-2014 source])--[[User:Der Golem|Der Golem]] ([[User talk:Der Golem|talk]]) 06:12, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Agreed, a redirect to [[Budweiser (disambiguation)]] is the best solution. Why hasn't this been done yet.[[Special:Contributions/69.116.183.192|69.116.183.192]] ([[User talk:69.116.183.192|talk]]) 04:30, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Agreed, a redirect to [[Budweiser (disambiguation)]] is the best solution. Why hasn't this been done yet.[[Special:Contributions/69.116.183.192|69.116.183.192]] ([[User talk:69.116.183.192|talk]]) 04:30, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

== Beer supporting Cosby ==

What might the ''cause be'' for a beer supporting Cosby? Comedian [[Bill Cosby]] performs in the ''Budweiser Gardens'', despite now two dozen women alleging that he drugged and raped them. [http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bill-cosby-scandal/second-woman-alleges-bill-cosby-sex-abuse-playboy-mansion-n286291 Budweiser Gardens logo in this video]. I can see how it might increase beer sales if others start to imitate the Cosby method.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 22:27, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

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Off flavors comment

"...giving it more time to reabsorb and process green beer flavors, such as acetaldehyde and diacetyl, that Anheuser-Busch believes are off-flavors which detract from overall drinkability..."

It is not debated that those chemicals are off flavors at all. There are no styles where acetaldehyde (green apple) flavor is acceptable, and only a handful of beer styles where diacetyl is acceptable (always in very small amounts). You could consult the Beer Judge Certification program style guide (www.bjcp.org) as a source for desired flavors in beer.

I only say all this because I think the clause"anheuser-busch believes..." should be removed since it implies that only AB considers them flaws and they are otherwise not generally considered flaws. Seems almost biased against AB. You could completely remove that clause and still keep the entire meaning of the rest of the statement. 76.100.114.214 (talk) 01:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning?

"The Czech Budweiser is sold in some countries as Budejovicky Budvar but is known as Budweiser throughout." Thoughout what or where? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.225.37.107 (talk) 05:17, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Vandalism

I believe this article may have been vandalized. I believe someone replaced Adolphus Busch with Jack Burrell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.50.119.143 (talk) 23:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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hey,30% or 80% rice ?

I remember a few years ago is 80% rice , why 30% now ? Anheuser Busch was one of them. They survived by converting to cereal beer made from non-fermentable grains like rice. Anheuser still makes its Budweiser from 80% rice, unlike the traditional all-malted barley beer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.111.235.43 (talk) 07:17, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You really need a citation for that. Any beer with 80% rice would be virtually unfermentable. Rice has almost no sugar so it would be next to impossible to make a ~4% abv beer with 80% adjunct 76.100.114.214 (talk) 01:29, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Italics

Why is Budweiser italicized throughout the article? Yes, it is a foreign word, but we don't italicize other brand names. Hot Stop talk-contribs 15:17, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good question, it's half italics, half not italics. CTJF83 15:36, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead an changed it. Hot Stop talk-contribs 15:49, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Even Adolphus Busch didn't like it.." Is this credible?

This comment, located under the "Beer" section, cites this article, but the article does not cite any credible source (it actually has no citation.) The article, from Salon.com, says, "Adolphus Busch, the dynasty’s founder, called his beer “dot schlop” and drank wine instead.", but I cannot find any information beyond this (except for internet hearsay.) Unless this is a credible claim, and someone has a more credible source, I think that comment should be taken out because it adds little to the article and cannot be verified. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.18.97.24 (talk) 07:59, 3 February 2012 (UTC) *Edit - forgot to sign* 99.18.97.24 (talk) 08:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would vote in favor of removing the comment. 76.100.114.214 (talk) 01:29, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's a slander. Busch may well have preferred to drink wine (so what) but the "dot schlop" comment was really a *self-deprecating joke* that he made when a dinner companion ordered a Budweiser in his presence. He wasn't going around secretly cackling about getting the rubes to drink "dot schlop." He was *making a joke.* (the source is *American Mercury*, 1929, quoted [here.](http://www.beerhistory.com/library/holdings/kingofbeer3.shtml)
Yeah, Bud is quite bland, but anyone who thinks you can hide bad ingredients or technique in such a bland beer doesn't know anything about brewing. It's a boring beer made very well. 99.249.15.40 (talk) 04:22, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Adding information about cans under the "Containers and packaging" section

The current article goes into some depth about the Budweiser bottle, but almost entirely ignores other types of packaging. I was planning on adding information specifically related to Budweiser can packaging. Much of this information will be tailored to look at the latest can design change that occurred in 2011, as well as the reasons and possible consequences of the change. Also, I plan on adding a chart, similar to that under the "Bottle" section, for the can. Zlaval (talk) 00:30, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As long as you provide proper sourcing sounds like a plan to me. CTJF83 11:04, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Brazilian's Budweiser bill=

RE: 2014 FIFA World Cup

After numerous deaths in football stadiums, Brazil passed a law in 2003 outlawing alcohol sales in stadiums. FIFA demanded that Brazil allow alcohol sales at the World Cup because Budweiser is a major World Cup sponsor and so it can make Budweiser the "Official Beer of the FIFA World Cup", a role it has played since 1986. In response, Brazil passed a law paving the way for alcohol sales in the World Cup, nicknamed the "Budweiser Bill".[1][2]

How can this be added to the article? Should it be added to Anheuser-Busch? Wholesomegood (talk) 05:05, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Brazil Moves To Ease Soccer Beer Ban, As World Cup Spat With FIFA Grows, NPR (March 07, 2012).
  2. ^ Brazilian Senate approves ‘Budweiser bill’ ending dispute with FIFA over World Cup sponsoring, Merco Press, (May 10, 2012).

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. This is a difficult close, but I find a rough consensus to move this article to Budweiser. Effectively, three options have been considered: 1) the proposed move (7 in favor), 2) an alternative option moving/restoring the concept dab (now located here) to Budweiser (5 in favor), and 3) leaving the dab page at "Budweiser" (43 in favor). As such, a majority of all participants favored a change over the status quo, and the proposed move was the best supported of the two changes (I do note that a few participants favoring one change specifically opposed the other). I kept the 4 remaining oppose votes in mind, but gave less consideration to those that did not specifically contend with English use. A no consensus close would leave us in a situation comparatively few participants preferred; I find rough consensus in favor of the best supported individual option. Cúchullain t/c 19:52, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]


– By hit count or by links, the American beer is far and away the primary topic for the English-speaking world. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:20, 4 August 2014 (UTC) pbp 13:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A trademark dispute is a poor reason for dictating naming conventions. The dispute is between a large beverage company that gets a lot of hits and is referenced by a lot of other articles; and a smaller beverage company that isn't. pbp 21:47, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Only one article in the list is called simply "Budweiser", i.e. Budweiser (Anheuser-Busch). The others are partial title matches whose relevance vis-à-vis that Budweiser could be considered less, in the spirit of WP:Partial title match. —  AjaxSmack  01:47, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per IJA. Instead I suggest that the trademark dispute article be made primary, as the most educational topic. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 05:18, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - While I hate to go against what actually does seem like a fairly clear case of common name, the fairly controversial nature of the topic makes it seem more logical for the Budweiser page to remain a disambiguation page.--Yaksar (let's chat) 17:47, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Anyone searching with "Budweiser" is most likely, by far, searching for this topic. A hatnote can handle the others. --В²C ☎ 00:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm, should we use the first criterion of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which is page views? Or the second one, which is long-term educational significance? Oh wait, either way it's a rout. Strong support as per both criteria. Red Slash 04:13, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Budweiser should just be turned back into a WP:CONCEPTDAB like it was until July this year. See here for what it looked like and the change into a normal dab. Jenks24 (talk) 08:26, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with Jenks24 – revert to that nice broad concept article. Good catch. Wbm1058 (talk) 00:12, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also agree, and comment, beer can be a big part of local culture. We have the relatively small and historic Harveys Brewery near us. If a newer multinational company adopted the same name and took over the Wikipedia name space I would be less than impressed.Gregkaye (talk) 19:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    In this case, however, Anheuser–Busch seems to have taken over the Wikipedia space about 140 years ago. bd2412 T 13:18, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with Jenks24 - returning to the July 2014 version would be the best way to deal with this issue. Edwardx (talk) 14:03, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Some editors want to restore the pre-July 2014 version as a kind of concept DAB. I'm leaving a ping for User:SilkTork since he did some of the July work and moved some of the Budweiser material into Budweiser trademark dispute. He may want to comment here. EdJohnston (talk) 16:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is a viable argument for which approach is more appropriate: a search for "Budweiser" landing the reader on a standard dab page, or on the article about the beer by Anheuser–Busch with a hat note to a dab page. However, I don't see restoring the trademark dispute article with links to other possible Budweiser targets as appropriate or viable. The argument that the page was a WP:CONCEPTDAB doesn't hold up, as a broad concept article would need to have topics in common, other than similarity of name, enough that an article could be written, such as Football, Supreme court, or Central Asia. The articles in question here do not share the same topic, two are breweries which simply have Budweiser in their name, one is a beer called Budweiser, one is the town Budweis, and one is a trademark dispute - there is no topic or concept in common, simply a loose connection with the name Budweis or Budweiser. Making the trademark dispute the primary topic is not a viable solution as that appears to be the least likely target for a reader putting in a search for Budweiser, and merely delays and confuses the reader who is searching for either the Anheuser–Busch beer (most likely), or for one of the other topics associated with the name (which may include the trademark dispute, but as page hits indicate, is the least likely target). On page hits Budweiser (Anheuser-Busch) with an average monthly hit of 30,000 is the most likely target, and that is more than the combined average of the other articles, which is less than 20,000 a month. All things considered, Budweiser (Anheuser-Busch) meets the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria so a search for "Budweiser" should land the leader on that page, with hat notes pointing to the current dab page which would be renamed as Budweiser (disambiguation). That Wikipedia may be influencing the trademark dispute by making the American beer the primary target is worth considering, and makes one hesitate, however a counter argument could be that by not making what is clearly the primary target the primary topic, we are siding with the German breweries. I think we need to lay aside the politics, and simply follow our own guidelines and common sense - what are most readers looking for when they type in a search for "Budweiser": they are searching for the American beer. Therefore: Support. SilkTork ✔Tea time 19:29, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Result of the request

How can be a result of the request move, if no consensus was found? I absolutely agree with IJA and others that both are big selling beers, this move would be making Wikipedia take sides in the "Budweiser trademark dispute" and Wikipedia should always remain neutral. Is it legitimate that if others strongly oppose to perform such a move? Jirka.h23 (talk) 05:59, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MR is the proper venue to have it reconsidered; you should speak with the closing admin before going there if you plan to. But the claim about Wikipedia taking sides is bogus. If we decided to not move the page because of that, it would be akin to censorship. Calidum Talk To Me 14:44, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
User:Jirka.h23, please see my closing comments above. My determination was that there was a solid consensus for a change from the status quo, and of the two discussed options, the proposed move had the most support. It was definitely a difficult discussion to close, and I'm always available to discuss my closes further.--Cúchullain t/c 17:15, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I completely fail to see how the admin concluded that there was any consensus whatever, let alone one in favour of the move. As I count it, four editors supported the move, five said leave it alone and five said redirect it to the trademark dispute. Four v nine is not a consensus. I intend to go to MR. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:04, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus isn't determined by simply counting votes, but rather by the strength and validity of the underlying arguments. Calidum Talk To Me 02:27, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
John Maynard Friedman, you can count me as sixth, i have completely missed this request. I do strongly oppose to such move, as wiki should stay neutral and not to prioritize any sides of the dispute. Unfortunately, i have no experience with "MR". Could you help to arrange this? Jirka.h23 (talk) 05:44, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Seventh. There's more world than just the US, and besides, it's Anheuser-Busch that stole the trademark of breweries from a town named literally Budweis. KiloByte (talk) 18:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
MR created, please get involved. Jirka.h23 (talk) 19:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Eighth. Please restore this back to the disambiguation page. SilkTork seems to be biased to move this page in favor of the American brand. 69.116.183.192 (talk) 04:19, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Content dispute?

The move review is closed as endorsing the current title. The closing administrator advises us never again using a RM for content disputes. If the dispute is complex, the administrator recommended RFC. Thoughts? --George Ho (talk) 09:20, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The move by Cúchullain was based on an assumption that most readers who type "Budweiser" are looking for an American beer. That assumption distorts some of the facts that we have. The European product gets about 20% of the amount of the monthly hits that the American product gets. Obviously the American gets more hits, because of the US market size compared to English-speaking part of the European market; but 20% is nowhere nearly insignificant proportion, and rather makes sense looking at the markets where the products are dominant. However, the crucial point that has seemingly been missed by the participants of the discussion, is that in the United Kingdom and in Ireland, the only product labeled as "Budweiser" is the European Budweiser Budvar, as it is the sole owner of the "Budweiser" trademark in the EU; and so in the UK and Ireland the American Anheuser-Busch product is not a Budweiser at all even by law (source). Therefore having the American product under the Budweiser article is grossly misleading for readers from the United Kingdom and Ireland; and has a lesser "educational value" for other readers.
Besides that, Cúchullain made a decision based on the fact that the "majority of all participants favored a change over the status quo". But dividing the participants into 3 groups with 3 goals and calling the previous situation an undesirable status quo is artificially fragmenting the participants who want to stay brand-neutral and oppose having the American product labeled as just "Budweiser". The brand-neutral position was supported by 8 (+me now is 9) and opposed by 7; but still a move towards one brand was executed.
I believe we should remain neutral because the division of what "Budweiser" means is significant even within the English speaking world. I propose that Budweiser redirects to slightly reworked Budweiser (disambiguation) (with added explanation of the meaning of the German word), but at the same time I also support redirecting Budweiser to Budweiser trademark dispute, rather than giving the Budweiser name to one specific brand because that would represent neither the global situation, nor the situation in the English-speaking world but rather just North America.--Der Golem (talk) 03:04, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, a redirect to Budweiser (disambiguation) should be the best way. Jirka.h23 (talk) 14:17, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Update: "Thanks to the registrations of trademarks Budweiser or Budweiser Budvar, that belong to Budějovický Budvar, ABI cannot use its key brand Budweiser in almost 70 countries." (source)--Der Golem (talk) 06:12, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, a redirect to Budweiser (disambiguation) is the best solution. Why hasn't this been done yet.69.116.183.192 (talk) 04:30, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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