Timeline for What is the Catholic Church's historical position on capital punishment: how did we get here?
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| Aug 5, 2018 at 19:53 | history | edited | Martin Rosenau | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 5, 2018 at 19:48 | comment | added | Martin Rosenau | @user477343 I completely re-wrote my answer because it still was not well understandable. | |
| Aug 5, 2018 at 19:47 | history | edited | Martin Rosenau | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 5, 2018 at 9:44 | comment | added | Mr Pie | Let's be specific: by kill, you mean murder, correct? | |
| Aug 4, 2018 at 0:00 | comment | added | Thunderforge | Also relevant is the full letter to the Bishops about CCC 2267. One point is that it's unnecessary with modern prison systems aimed at rehabilitation. I've seen at least one commentary argue saying that since there weren't modern prisons in medieval times, the death penalty may have been the only means to protect society if non-lethal means weren't possible. | |
| Aug 3, 2018 at 19:41 | comment | added | Martin Rosenau | @Nathaniel 2) ... Of course you might also argue using texts before AD 300. However you have to keep in mind that before AD 300 there were a lot of different doctrines (Arianism for example) in that period so you will surely find all kinds of opinions in texts of that period. The main problem will be the question if such a text was seen a "official opinion of the church" in that time because there were nothing like the faith Congregation today who defines what is the "official opinion of the church" and what is not. | |
| Aug 3, 2018 at 19:35 | comment | added | Martin Rosenau | @Nathaniel Thanks for the comment. 1) According to Wikipedia the beginning with AD 380 the roman empire's government dictated essential parts of Christian teaching - without asking theologians and no later than AD 385 by using violence. Starting from this period you have to assume that theological texts also contained political intent. I looked up the three church fathers you mentioned and they lived exactly in that period. ... | |
| Aug 3, 2018 at 17:53 | comment | added | L1R | @Grasper I think you may have misunderstood me, my original objection to the answer was that the author was asserting that the catholic church of today was not the catholic church of yester-year. Which by my estimation is not true to Catholic understanding. I myself am not a Catholic. Just a Christian. Which i know Catholics might object too, but thats a different story entirely | |
| Aug 3, 2018 at 17:47 | comment | added | L1R | I appreciate your revisions, i may withdrawn my downvote as you are coming better into the scope of the question asked. @MartinRosenau . | |
| Aug 3, 2018 at 15:01 | comment | added | user3961 | If your point is only to say that medieval church authorities may have been more politically motivated than religiously, fine and maybe true, but that perhaps fits better as a comment, which you already made. If you want to put that in an answer, I think that would make an interesting section, however you must still answer the question asked. You still need to answer similar to Nathaniel's answer. For better or worse, different or not, the church was still the church. Stand alone, this is polemic. Within an appropriate answer, you may have a valid and interesting point. | |
| Aug 3, 2018 at 13:32 | comment | added | Nathaniel is protesting | The medieval period is usually considered to begin around AD 500 or AD 600, but there are many church fathers before that who clearly considered the death penalty to be acceptable, and allowed Christians to participate in its implementation. Are you saying that fathers like Augustine and Chrysostom and Jerome were part of a "political organization"? | |
| Aug 3, 2018 at 11:37 | comment | added | Grasper | @L1R what authority do you have to say it's a different institution? If it is then Jesus failed to protect the Church. | |
| Aug 3, 2018 at 5:48 | history | edited | Martin Rosenau | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 3, 2018 at 5:42 | history | edited | Martin Rosenau | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 3, 2018 at 5:32 | comment | added | Martin Rosenau | @L1R I completely re-wrote my answer; I hope it is clearer now. However if you make premises when asking questions the answer to the questions may always be: "Because your premise is wrong." - no matter which question you ask (religion, mathematics, science, politics...). | |
| Aug 3, 2018 at 5:31 | history | edited | Martin Rosenau | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 3, 2018 at 1:18 | comment | added | user3961 | "I deny that a church document which reflects the private interest of some church officials and which does not reflect Christian belief is a document reflecting "the position of the church"." Well, the church doesn't and answers must match the frame of the question. This is a polemic and not an answer. I'm also downvoting. | |
| Aug 2, 2018 at 22:37 | comment | added | L1R | I downvoted this answer, Because while i totally see the point you are making, the entire premise of the Catholic church (which I don't personally agree with) is that its the SAME institution with an unbroken line of authority and succession all the way back to Peter. And this SAME institution has plenty of history of ACTUALLY using capital punishment. | |
| Aug 2, 2018 at 22:20 | history | answered | Martin Rosenau | CC BY-SA 4.0 |