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Not sure if I will find some time for a chat session, so below are my few thoughts on the matter (just in case if I will miss the session).

  1. The tag should be definitely renamed to something like (as it was done on Physics.SE) and the tag info should mention that the tag applies not only to homework assignments but also to self-study problems.

  2. It is indeed tough to define what "enough effort" actually means, but some hints can still be provided (probably, in the meta guide). For instance, scanned or photographed sheet of paper with a text of an exercise almost always means "not enough effort", while a nicely formatted (especially with the help of MathJax and/or a molecule editor) question clearly shows effort.

  3. I think closing a question as homework (and, in fact, for any other reason) is and will always be a subjective decision unless a set of specific criteria is specified. Even when the currently proposed policy:

We will only close blatantly obvious homework questions.

there is still a room for subjectivity out there. All in all, it is still good-old "I know it when I see it", which is inherently subjective, due to the lack of explicit criteria of what constitutes these "blatantly obvious" cases. To avoid subjectivity, hints mentioned in item 4 need to be turned into strict rules, but I personally do not believe that it is possible. Besides, is subjectivity such a real issue here? I mean, if a closure reason was not subjective, it could be formalized and implemented in a form of a computer program (script) to run automatically for us. But instead we have a mechanism for the community to vote on different closure reasons. And we have this mechanism exactly because closure reasons are usually subjective. I don't think subjectivity is a problem there, the real problem seems to be that you don't trust the current mechanism of turning subjective decisions of individual users into a presumably objective decision of the community by a simple accumulation of 5 votes from a relatively high-rep users.

  1. I completely disagree with that statement. On the contrary, I think there should be a big difference in answering homework questions: complete answers should be discouraged (may be even to the extreme when they should be deleted, except when provided by OP), while hints should be encouraged. For non-homework questions the policy is the complete reverse, of course.

Not sure if I will find some time for a chat session, so below are my few thoughts on the matter (just in case if I will miss the session).

  1. The tag should be definitely renamed to something like (as it was done on Physics.SE) and the tag info should mention that the tag applies not only to homework assignments but also to self-study problems.

  2. It is indeed tough to define what "enough effort" actually means, but some hints can still be provided (probably, in the meta guide). For instance, scanned or photographed sheet of paper with a text of an exercise almost always means "not enough effort", while a nicely formatted (especially with the help of MathJax and/or a molecule editor) question clearly shows effort.

  3. I think closing a question as homework (and, in fact, for any other reason) is and will always be a subjective decision unless a set of specific criteria is specified. Even when the currently proposed policy:

We will only close blatantly obvious homework questions.

there is still a room for subjectivity out there. All in all, it is still good-old "I know it when I see it", which is inherently subjective, due to the lack of explicit criteria of what constitutes these "blatantly obvious" cases. To avoid subjectivity, hints mentioned in item 4 need to be turned into strict rules, but I personally do not believe that it is possible. Besides, is subjectivity such a real issue here? I mean, if a closure reason was not subjective, it could be formalized and implemented in a form of a computer program (script) to run automatically for us. But instead we have a mechanism for the community to vote on different closure reasons. And we have this mechanism exactly because closure reasons are usually subjective. I don't think subjectivity is a problem there, the real problem seems to be that you don't trust the current mechanism of turning subjective decisions of individual users into a presumably objective decision of the community by a simple accumulation of 5 votes from a relatively high-rep users.

  1. I completely disagree with that statement. On the contrary, I think there should be a big difference in answering homework questions: complete answers should be discouraged (may be even to the extreme when they should be deleted, except when provided by OP), while hints should be encouraged. For non-homework questions the policy is complete reverse, of course.

Not sure if I will find some time for a chat session, so below are my few thoughts on the matter (just in case if I will miss the session).

  1. The tag should be definitely renamed to something like (as it was done on Physics.SE) and the tag info should mention that the tag applies not only to homework assignments but also to self-study problems.

  2. It is indeed tough to define what "enough effort" actually means, but some hints can still be provided (probably, in the meta guide). For instance, scanned or photographed sheet of paper with a text of an exercise almost always means "not enough effort", while a nicely formatted (especially with the help of MathJax and/or a molecule editor) question clearly shows effort.

  3. I think closing a question as homework (and, in fact, for any other reason) is and will always be a subjective decision unless a set of specific criteria is specified. Even when the currently proposed policy:

We will only close blatantly obvious homework questions.

there is still a room for subjectivity out there. All in all, it is still good-old "I know it when I see it", which is inherently subjective, due to the lack of explicit criteria of what constitutes these "blatantly obvious" cases. To avoid subjectivity, hints mentioned in item 4 need to be turned into strict rules, but I personally do not believe that it is possible. Besides, is subjectivity such a real issue here? I mean, if a closure reason was not subjective, it could be formalized and implemented in a form of a computer program (script) to run automatically for us. But instead we have a mechanism for the community to vote on different closure reasons. And we have this mechanism exactly because closure reasons are usually subjective. I don't think subjectivity is a problem there, the real problem seems to be that you don't trust the current mechanism of turning subjective decisions of individual users into a presumably objective decision of the community by a simple accumulation of 5 votes from a relatively high-rep users.

  1. I completely disagree with that statement. On the contrary, I think there should be a big difference in answering homework questions: complete answers should be discouraged (may be even to the extreme when they should be deleted, except when provided by OP), while hints should be encouraged. For non-homework questions the policy is the complete reverse, of course.
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Not sure if I will find some time for a chat session, so below are my few thoughts on the matter (just in case if I will miss the session).

  1. The tag should be definitely renamed to something like (as it was done on Physics.SSE)E and the tag info should mention that the tag applies not only to homework assignments but also to self-study problems.

  2. It is indeed tough to define what "enough effort" actually means, but some hints can still be provided (probably, in the meta guide). For instance, scanned or photographed sheet of paper with a text of an exercise almost always means "not enough effort", while a nicely formatted (especially with the help of MathJax and/or a molecule editor) question clearly shows an effort.

  3. I think closing a question as a homework (and, in fact, for any other reason) is and will always be a subjective decision unless a set of specific criteria is specified. Even when the currently proposed policy:

We will only close blatantly obvious homework questions.

there is still a room for subjectivity out there. All in all, it is still good-old "I know it when I see it", which is inherently subjective, due to the lack of explicit criteria of what constitutes these "blatantly obvious" cases. To avoid subjectivity, hints mentioned in item 4 need to be turned into strict rules, but I personally do not believe that it is possible. Besides, is subjectivity such a real issue here? I mean, if a closure reason was not subjective, it could be formalized and implemented in a form of a computer program (script) to run automatically for us. But instead we have a mechanism for the community to vote on different closure reasons. And we have this mechanism exactly because closure reasons are usually subjective. I don't think subjectivity is a problem there, the real problem seems to be that you don't trust the current mechanism of turning subjective decisions of individual users into a presumably objective decision of the community by a simple accumulation of 5 votes from a relatively high-rep users.

  1. I completely disagree with that statement. On the contrary, I think there should be a big difference in answering homework questions: complete answers should be discouraged (may be even to the extreme when they should be deleted, except when provided by OP), while hints should be encouraged. For non-homework questions the policy is complete reverse, of course.

Not sure if I will find some time for a chat session, so below are my few thoughts on the matter (just in case if I will miss the session).

  1. The tag should be definitely renamed to something like (as it was done on Physics.S)E and the tag info should mention that the tag applies not only to homework assignments but also to self-study problems.

  2. It is indeed tough to define what "enough effort" actually means, but some hints can still be provided (probably, in the meta guide). For instance, scanned or photographed sheet of paper with a text of an exercise almost always means "not enough effort", while a nicely formatted (especially with the help of MathJax and/or a molecule editor) question clearly shows an effort.

  3. I think closing a question as a homework (and, in fact, for any other reason) is and will always be a subjective decision unless a set of specific criteria is specified. Even when the currently proposed policy:

We will only close blatantly obvious homework questions.

there is still a room for subjectivity out there. All in all, it is still good-old "I know it when I see it", which is inherently subjective, due to the lack of explicit criteria of what constitutes these "blatantly obvious" cases. To avoid subjectivity, hints mentioned in item 4 need to be turned into strict rules, but I personally do not believe that it is possible. Besides, is subjectivity such a real issue here? I mean, if a closure reason was not subjective, it could be formalized and implemented in a form of a computer program (script) to run automatically for us. But instead we have a mechanism for the community to vote on different closure reasons. And we have this mechanism exactly because closure reasons are usually subjective. I don't think subjectivity is a problem there, the real problem seems to be that you don't trust the current mechanism of turning subjective decisions of individual users into a presumably objective decision of the community by a simple accumulation of 5 votes from a relatively high-rep users.

  1. I completely disagree with that statement. On the contrary, I think there should be a big difference in answering homework questions: complete answers should be discouraged (may be even to the extreme when they should be deleted, except when provided by OP), while hints should be encouraged. For non-homework questions the policy is complete reverse, of course.

Not sure if I will find some time for a chat session, so below are my few thoughts on the matter (just in case if I will miss the session).

  1. The tag should be definitely renamed to something like (as it was done on Physics.SE) and the tag info should mention that the tag applies not only to homework assignments but also to self-study problems.

  2. It is indeed tough to define what "enough effort" actually means, but some hints can still be provided (probably, in the meta guide). For instance, scanned or photographed sheet of paper with a text of an exercise almost always means "not enough effort", while a nicely formatted (especially with the help of MathJax and/or a molecule editor) question clearly shows effort.

  3. I think closing a question as homework (and, in fact, for any other reason) is and will always be a subjective decision unless a set of specific criteria is specified. Even when the currently proposed policy:

We will only close blatantly obvious homework questions.

there is still a room for subjectivity out there. All in all, it is still good-old "I know it when I see it", which is inherently subjective, due to the lack of explicit criteria of what constitutes these "blatantly obvious" cases. To avoid subjectivity, hints mentioned in item 4 need to be turned into strict rules, but I personally do not believe that it is possible. Besides, is subjectivity such a real issue here? I mean, if a closure reason was not subjective, it could be formalized and implemented in a form of a computer program (script) to run automatically for us. But instead we have a mechanism for the community to vote on different closure reasons. And we have this mechanism exactly because closure reasons are usually subjective. I don't think subjectivity is a problem there, the real problem seems to be that you don't trust the current mechanism of turning subjective decisions of individual users into a presumably objective decision of the community by a simple accumulation of 5 votes from a relatively high-rep users.

  1. I completely disagree with that statement. On the contrary, I think there should be a big difference in answering homework questions: complete answers should be discouraged (may be even to the extreme when they should be deleted, except when provided by OP), while hints should be encouraged. For non-homework questions the policy is complete reverse, of course.
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Not sure if I will find some time for a chat session, so below are my few thoughts on the matter (just in case if I will miss the session).

  1. The tag should be definitely renamed to something like (as it was done on Physics.S)E and the tag info should mention that the tag applies not only to homework assignments but also to self-study problems.

  2. It is indeed tough to define what "enough effort" actually means, but some hints can still be provided (probably, in the meta guide). For instance, scanned or photographed sheet of paper with a text of an exercise almost always means "not enough effort", while a nicely formatted (especially with the help of MathJax and/or a molecule editor) question clearly shows an effort.

  3. I think closing a question as a homework (and, in fact, for any other reason) is and will always be a subjective decision unless a set of specific criteria is specified. Even when the currently proposed policy:

We will only close blatantly obvious homework questions.

there is still a room for subjectivity out there. All in all, it is still good-old "I know it when I see it", which is inherently subjective, due to the lack of explicit criteria of what constitutes these "blatantly obvious" cases. To avoid subjectivity, hints mentioned in item 4 need to be turned into strict rules, but I personally do not believe that it is possible. Besides, is subjectivity such a real issue here? I mean, if a closure reason was not subjective, it could be formalized and implemented in a form of a computer program (script) to run automatically for us. But instead we have a mechanism for the community to vote on different closure reasons. And we have this mechanism exactly because closure reasons are usually subjective. I don't think subjectivity is a problem there, the real problem seems to be that you don't trust the current mechanism of turning subjective decisions of individual users into a presumably objective decision of the community by a simple accumulation of 5 votes from a relatively high-rep users.

  1. I completely disagree with that statement. On the contrary, I think there should be a big difference in answering homework questions: complete answers should be discouraged (may be even to the extreme when they should be deleted, except when provided by OP), while hints should be encouraged. For non-homework questions the policy is complete reverse, of course.