Timeline for How to by-pass bioethics for a trivial bio-experiment?
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| Feb 10, 2019 at 22:53 | comment | added | Stack Exchange Supports Israel | @The_Sympathizer It's quite possible that the OP just assumed that. | |
| Feb 10, 2019 at 22:37 | comment | added | The_Sympathizer | @immibis : However it was said that to do this is "time-consuming, costly, and far beyond our scope" which, to me, suggests that it is at the very least considerably more complex than just getting a bin and some gloves, and at least in OP's own estimation, not something sie is going to be able to do reasonably. Though perhaps it'd be useful if OP provided some more specific details as to what exactly that entails. | |
| Feb 10, 2019 at 22:34 | comment | added | Stack Exchange Supports Israel | @The_Sympathizer We don't know what "building your own bio-safe lab" actually means. It could be anything from "put a biohazard bin next to your desk to dispose of materials, and wear gloves and a lab coat" to "commission the construction of a multi-million dollar new building for the university", but I would bet towards the former end. | |
| Feb 10, 2019 at 10:48 | comment | added | The_Sympathizer | And thus any solution would need to both address the need for proper handling and the inability of the people doing this experiment to build their own lab competently. I note you mentioned some alternatives at the end of your post, but what I want to hear and think is missing is a comment on the reasonableness or not of the board in demanding that specific, and very difficult to meet, demand, as opposed to something that might be more in line with their known expertise and/or lack thereof (including but perhaps not limited to the suggestions you mention). | |
| Feb 10, 2019 at 10:47 | comment | added | The_Sympathizer | "Second, while this may be an edge case, the line needs to be drawn somewhere and it has been decided that the line is drawn in the most conservative place so that you don't need to make judgements in every case. The reason for conservatism here is the potentially harmful result of getting it wrong - from HIV to Ebola. " But it does look like a judgment is needed in this case. Moreover, even if it needs to be redone "right", building your own lab by someone who is not an expert would seem at least every bit as "ethically questionable", no? That demands thus seems clearly not reasonable. | |
| Feb 10, 2019 at 8:44 | comment | added | Ilmari Karonen | That said, I agree with the gist of this answer: there's a line that needs to be drawn somewhere, and the OP was unlucky enough to have stepped just barely over it. So now they have to find some way to jump through all the hoops and tick all the necessary boxes to prove that what they did (or will do) was, in fact, done safely and ethically. | |
| Feb 10, 2019 at 8:40 | comment | added | Ilmari Karonen | @GlenPierce: The same is true of any organic material that can spoil, like that slice of pizza somebody left in the fridge for too long, but you don't see anyone applying biohazard regs to that (even if they maybe should). Also, people routinely dispose of their own blood (e.g. on bandages, sanitary pads, etc.) in normal garbage bins, and that's not generally seen as a major infection risk. Yes, there are specific risks involved in handling human blood, especially if it's fresh and not yours. But those risks do not magically increase just because someone put the blood under a microscope first. | |
| Feb 10, 2019 at 2:31 | comment | added | Glen Pierce | Consent is not the only concern here. Blood isn't benign, improperly handled or stored, it's a biohazard. (Yes, my own blood is a biohazard to me if I leave it out and it grows some very unpleasant bacteria while unattended, say in a waste bin) | |
| Feb 10, 2019 at 0:22 | comment | added | Patricia Shanahan | The OP certainly could give informed consent to the use of the OP's blood, but the journal cannot know whether the OP's consent was properly informed. They would depend on the IRB reviewing the information that must be known to the experimental subjects before giving consent. | |
| Feb 9, 2019 at 16:43 | history | edited | Buffy | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 9, 2019 at 16:27 | history | answered | Buffy | CC BY-SA 4.0 |