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4"It is pretty rare that one gets a doctorate without publications" -- not really, I have seen a few. This is highly dependent on field, institution, country.– ScientistCommented Jul 19, 2018 at 16:27
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1@Scientist, without either publications or a dissertation? Also, is "a few" different from "pretty rare"?– BuffyCommented Jul 19, 2018 at 16:47
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I see your point. I meant without publications. More common in social sciences, from what I hear, but a few colleagues got there in Biology.– ScientistCommented Jul 19, 2018 at 16:59
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1@Scientist back in my era, mathematicians normally didn't publish before finishing the doctorate. I don't know about other fields. I realize that has changed now. But the dissertation was pretty much guaranteed (by the faculty) to be worthy of publication. Partly the new "expectations" account for the (much) longer time to get the degree. Back then four years was pretty standard - post baccalaureate. Now? Seven, more? I think in some other countries than US you can have a pretty regular position (i.e. not just TA) before the doctorate so time matters less. Less common here.– BuffyCommented Jul 19, 2018 at 17:07
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