Timeline for How Unix'y is Mac OS X?
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| Apr 15, 2011 at 10:33 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 3, 2009 at 10:55 | vote | accept | Rob Kam | ||
| Oct 1, 2009 at 21:11 | comment | added | Phoshi | @Tele, indeed we are :) I just don't think it's a major issue - if you want it, it's there. If you don't, well, it's not! | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 19:48 | comment | added | David Thornley | @Telemachus: The compiler is there. It's right in the box. I don't understand why you think all Unix-like OSes should work the way you want when you first turn on the power. There's a long and honorable tradition of fiddling things to make a Unix box work the way you want. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 17:34 | comment | added | Telemachus | @David: I don't disagree about why Apple doesn't include a compiler. I'm simply saying that it's not there. That fact means that, in that regard, OSX is not especially Unix-like (license or not). In fact, as Mouvicel mentions, a c99 compiler is a requirement of the SUS spec, but I think Apple gets a pass by putting the XCode tools on a disc in the box. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 17:30 | comment | added | David Thornley | @Telemachus: Most people who use a Mac don't want XCode, so installing it would be a waste of disk space. If you have any clue that you want a compiler, you can easily install one. If you need everything pre-installed for you, and you can't handle a simple installation step, you'll never make it in software, and shouldn't be trusted with a compiler. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 17:12 | comment | added | Telemachus | @Phoshi: Now we're just arguing semantics. When you take the machine out of the box and turn it on, there is no compiler. In order to get a compiler, you must either (1) become a Mac developer and download XCode or (2) know that a compiler is included in the "Optional" tools on an installer disc. That's not "out of the box" to me. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 17:05 | comment | added | Phoshi | To be fair, if the stuff is on the disk, it is available "out of the box", depending on what box you're referring to. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 16:33 | comment | added | Telemachus | @Mouviciel: I don't have a fresh machine handy, but I'm pretty sure that there is no compiler on current Macs out of the box (literally, fresh out of the box). And, yes, the installer isn't far away to get a compiler, but I still think it matters that it isn't installed by default. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 15:39 | comment | added | mouviciel | @Telemachus: Xcode is an option that is present on the install DVD of Snow Leopard. Not exactly out of the box, but not far from it. It would be interesting to check whether a c99 compiler is present out of the box. It seems that it is mandatory with SUS V3. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 15:38 | comment | added | MDMarra | Telemachus - Yeah but in all fairness, most users won't ever use it and it's readily available in the XCode tools that is on the install disc that ships with all Apple computers. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 15:20 | comment | added | Telemachus | @Wolf: You can't compile anything on a Mac until you install a compiler on it. I think that this applies to Mouviciel's "everything that a coder or sysadmin expects" as well. I expect a damn compiler, and OSX does not arrive with one (not out of the box). | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 14:00 | comment | added | mouviciel | This is a BSD system built on top of a MACH microkernel. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 12:58 | comment | added | kmarsh | It is actually MACH not BSD, though it has a BSD-like API. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 8:59 | comment | added | Wolf | In fact, OS X is so much "Unix-like" that you can compile almost anything out there written for Unix-(most likely Linux)machines and use it. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 8:19 | comment | added | mouviciel | Edited my answer to remove -like from Unix-like. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 8:19 | history | edited | mouviciel | CC BY-SA 2.5 |
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| Oct 1, 2009 at 8:14 | comment | added | Rob Kam | Edited the question to remove -like from Unix-like. | |
| Oct 1, 2009 at 8:11 | history | answered | mouviciel | CC BY-SA 2.5 |